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Thread: Optimization of "hard drive storage" component of points |
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Former Member
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http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=winpointscalc
The only setting I can change on my Device Manager is HD. So... "the lesser of the amount of hard drive space allocated and the amount of total space available on your hard drive partition, is divided by the Hard Disk Storage value of World Community Grid Comparison Device." I'm guessing that means if I have 140GB left, dedicate 40GB (unrealistic but I'm optimizing here) to WCG, leaving 100GB to myself, it would be 40GB/comparison device's lowly HD. Then here, http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1505 It says 10GB max.. So the best optimization is 10GB? Question, why does it default to 4GB? I know there are some pathetic machines out there, but it's not like that minority will even ever reach 10GB using WCG. Considering how not much these projects use, is HD even a good factor for point distribution? Even though it's just 5% of overall factorization and won't make much difference, this seems like an "easter egg" or unnecessary "secret" since 99% would have no problem with 10GB setting. |
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Sekerob
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You're whole fully confusing the WCG(UD) agent method of scoring calculation with that of BOINC which is solely based on benchmarking Whet/Dhry-stone computational power.... As u probably did not start crunching on the old client, you'd not recognize it and are therefor forgiven.
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Forgiven?
---------------------------------------- I just love the condescension here. I'm sorry there is no official info about Windows BOINC points/credit calculation or any mention of UD/BOINC in the little FAQ I linked to.=== In any case, that still doesn't explain why HD is even factored into UD scoring. It would be like a popular flash game, like Sonic, 100 kids trying to go for high score, 20 know of an "extra life" cheat, the other 80 don't. Now those with extra lives are at an unfair advantage because the 80 that don't surely would've also done better with the extra life. Similarity, there is a very small % that can't fulfill 10GB, let alone the "32Mb for the HPF project" (and a bit extra for the others), so setting it to 4GB for everyone by default (under scoring everyone but the tweakers) is a disservice. === "the lesser of the amount of hard drive space allocated and the amount of total space available on your hard drive partition, is divided by the Hard Disk Storage value of World Community Grid Comparison Device." Also, that's not exactly logical. If someone has 100GB and dedicates 99GB and has left 1GB, the lesser amount, 1GB would be devided by comparison device (say 0.5GB). Then the person that thought they were helping more would be penalized with 1/0.5=2 rather than someone that would dedicate 4GB with 4/0.5=8. Or perhaps it's bad wording on the site's part. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 3, 2007 2:05:09 PM] |
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Sekerob
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jhtrico18050, attempt to see the lightheartedness in messages instead of the negative..... (now have fear u are interpreting that too as condescending
---------------------------------------- )BOINC points is a uniform valuation of computational effort by hour for ALL distributed computing projects using this client, no matter if at WCG, SETI or SIMAP. Visit the unofficial BOINC Wiki or oogle for 'Cobblestones', for extensive discussion. WCG has added server side evaluation logic on claims derived from the quorum principle to ensure that no-one can run amok with claims. The latest iteration is discussed almost ad nauseam on these fora and was introduced here. Enjoy your day at GSU 
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Former Member
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Hard to see sarcasm when you constantly seemed annoyed
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Sekerob
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The UD agent Points page has been amended to signify it's only relevant to the old client.
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So even if it's just 5% of factoring in of points, what about the poor UD users that don't tweak, leaving their setting at 4GB when it most likely won't hurt them to change it?
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Diana G.
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So even if it's just 5% of factoring in of points, what about the poor UD users that don't tweak, leaving their setting at 4GB when it most likely won't hurt them to change it? John, This is what my disk tab in BONIC Manager says: Free disk space: 49.18 GB Used by BONIC: 69.99 MB Used by other programs: 22.18 GB Really, very little is being used by BONIC. Only once has my VM been increased by any project. I can tell you that WCG points are fair and all the crunching I have done has been good. I switched to BOINC and everything got better than with UD. More points, more work, more stats to view, really satisfying. Hope you are enjoying your day  Cheers, Diana G.  |
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Exactly very little is used, so why is HD considered a factor in UD points? 1GB or 100GB, won't matter, but I don't think it's fair to the nontweakers that they aren't scoring as much as they can while the tweakers do (and the tweaker's excessive GB "donation" doesn't make their PC any better than equiv RAM/CPU).
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It's simply a question of what you are willing to donate. WCG may, in the future, have work units that use a lot of disk space. So far, I think HDC has been our largest space consumer.
The reason the default isn't the maximum is because WCG have to prevent swamping people with smaller drives, or less free space. The BOINC way is better, but this simply isn't a big deal. This thread should be in the UD Support forum. |
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