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Former Member
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when i used ud, the agent sent a result as soon as it was finished.
----------------------------------------so what does this boinc thing mean? another unit has been running for 15 minutes already. i set network communication at .1 days, and under activity i checked 'always run/always available.' second question: does cancer run on boinc? i don't see it here: "What projects at World Community Grid are available on BOINC? The Human Proteome Folding project and FightAIDS@Home are currently available on BOINC for Windows and Linux." [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 18, 2006 11:37:16 PM] |
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Former Member
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BOINC tries to communicate as little as possible. This is kind to your Internet connection, but more importantly it minimises the load on the WCG servers.
As you know, BOINC will aim to download work ahead of time, so as soon as a work unit finishes it can start the next one without having to stop and wait while a work unit is downloaded. This means that BOINC can't report the current work unit because it hasn't finished yet. BOINC actually uploads the result files immediately (this is a seperate process, it even uses different servers) but the reporting is delayed until the next time BOINC needs to communicate (or if a deadline is in danger of being missed). |
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Former Member
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Looks like the FAQ is out of date again. Can you give the link?
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Looks like the FAQ is out of date again. Can you give the link? http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=bnc |
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Former Member
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BOINC tries to communicate as little as possible. This is kind to your Internet connection, but more importantly it minimises the load on the WCG servers. It isn't kind to my Internet connection by a long shot. When you have 30 computers trying to download at the same time due to delayed reporting does nothing but cause the whole shebang to grind to a halt. It's obvious even to the most casual observer some program somewhere is acknowledging receipt of the completed result upon finish of the upload transmission, I assume it's WCG. As far as I'm concerned it's just busy work for BOINC to justify it's existence. The non-BOINC agent accomplishes the same thing within the same amount of transmissions without the built-in delay, and without additional workload for WCG servers. As you know, BOINC will aim to download work ahead of time, so as soon as a work unit finishes it can start the next one without having to stop and wait while a work unit is downloaded. This means that BOINC can't report the current work unit because it hasn't finished yet. Yes, it downloads new wor,k 1-2 minutes before completion of the current running task. Then the completed task sits there for the next 4 to 5 hours, depending on the computer, waiting on unnecessary reporting. Of course it can't report an unfinished W/U. Reporting is an after completion operation and should be eliminated by the acknowledgment upon end of transmission. Again, busy work. BOINC actually uploads the result files immediately (this is a seperate process, it even uses different servers) but the reporting is delayed until the next time BOINC needs to communicate (or if a deadline is in danger of being missed). My point exactly... |
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Sekerob
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Nite Owl, u might want to visit Rom World, who gives a very lucent explanation as to the why and the impact it has for not doing it the way it's done.... he expresses it in his second installment in money.... staggering.
----------------------------------------FOLLOW-UP: The evils of 'Returning Results Immediately' I'm sure 30 machines create substantial traffic. There's a request outstanding to add the transmission volume estimate per Work Unit / Project to the System Requirements page. When that will happen is not sure.... priorities. Edit: I might have even copied the 1st installment to a post here somewhere. cheers
WCG
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Former Member
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Nite Owl, u might want to visit Rom World, who gives a very lucent explanation as to the why and the impact it has for not doing it the way it's done.... he expresses it in his second installment in money.... staggering. FOLLOW-UP: The evils of 'Returning Results Immediately' I'm sure 30 machines create substantial traffic. There's a request outstanding to add the transmission volume estimate per Work Unit / Project to the System Requirements page. When that will happen is not sure.... priorities. Edit: I might have even copied the 1st installment to a post here somewhere. cheers Yes, they do move quick a bit of work, so one of them is either downloading or uploading most of the time. It's when they all fire off together that the problems start. I recently had to throw $40.00 a month at my ISP for increased bandwidth... I'll check what Rom has to say to justify double reporting or whether he's fluffing BOINC as they have a tendacy to do. Thanks for the link Sek...  I'm not sure you have te right link there though... I just read it and the only place reporting was addressed was in the header. The body of the message was dealing with the number of servers required to take care of uploads, downloads, trickles (Weather guessers) and a couple other things... Nothing about reporting...  |
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Former Member
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Hi Nite Owl,
You and me both. Rom explains that, at least under some circumstances, the current BOINC method reduces the load on the servers to only a third of what it would be. Sounds good, but I don't understand what is going on and feel stupid. Darn it! I ought to be able to understand. The fault must be in the explanation.  If you can find a good explanation somewhere of the BOINC commo procedures, let me know.One major improvement is finally starting. BOINC 5.4 now has compression, so we are using compression for Genome Comparison. Only members using 5.4 can run it. As we replace the old uncompressed BOINC projects with new compressed projects, forcing our members to upgrade, the communication burden should drop. Lawrence |
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Former Member
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BOINC really doesn't double report. If you don't believe me, feel free to read the source code and find out for yourself.
Also, the delayed reporting doesn't actually cause all your computers to download at the same time. That is a coincidence that would occur with or without delayed reporting. The throttled connection feature was broken in recent releases, but I understand it is fixed now (at least in the development version). You should consider using that feature to limit BOINC's use of your Internet connection. |
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Sekerob
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Hi Nite Owl,
----------------------------------------the first installment is about 5 revolutions of my mouse wheel down on the same November blog of Rom..... to save u a blackberry finger massage: BOINC Client: The evils of 'Returning Results Immediately' cheers
WCG
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