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Former Member
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Maybe XS's crackdown has paid off, and the averages are just a historical thing. Sure, there are two possible explanations. One is that XS was running a bunch of 2 GHz Pentiums, but used to be cheating hugely to jack up their scores, and then recently switched over to a bunch of more modern, faster, overclocked systems and quit cheating, in order to justify their average. The second is that they've been running those modern, fast systems all along, which is why their average was so high in the first place. I reiterate that 87 points per hour is perfectly unexceptional with reasonably fast (by enthusiast standards) systems. If they've been using those all along, their average would be that high all along. And you can expect it to go even higher now that the Core 2 Duos are being snapped up in large numbers. Deal: You don't quote the Bard, and I won't quote Occam's Razor. |
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Unfortunately, since different projects have different work unit sizes, we're still left all at sea I don't think so. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume (yes, yes) that IBM doesn't try to tell its workers which projects to crunch, being allergic to discrimination lawsuits, lousy PR, etc. Given that, I think it's safe to say that IBM's 2400+ active members will have chosen a representative random sample of projects, constituting a fairly typical mix, and that therefore their average points per WU represent a typical average WU length. (I prefer averages, too.) Even more so would Easynews' 4100+ active users constitute a representative random sample, and Clubic has 4400+ users. It would take a massive conspiracy effort to render all 3 team's average points per WU untypical. We're not talking about Team Gay US, here, or Team AntiCancer. The observed range of 301-365 points per random population does indicate that each group does favor a slightly different mix of projects, but seems well within reasonable bounds. I'd be more suspicious if they all matched. So... it could be that XS secretly coordinates its member's project choices, and has them all crunching nice short HDC WUs to drive up the count per day, and then cheats (by whatever means, that still hasn't been explained) by just enough to raise their average points per WU up into the typical range and not beyond. Clever, that. Or... it could be that they've got a lot of fast machines crunching through nearly 3K typical, randomly selected project WUs per day. But I guess we'll never know.  |
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Isn't it a known fact that BOINC claims more PPWU than UD, especially on very fast machines? I thought I read that somewhere. Most WCG members run UD, but I'm guessing 99% of the memebrs of XS run BOINC which could explain alot.
----------------------------------------I'll give my stats as an example. I strictly run BOINC on some very high end machines. WCG global average points per result: 258 My average points per result: 352 My average is actually higher than that since I spent the first 6 months of my time on the grid crunching with a single P4 and the UD client.  But still, that's 36% above "average"! I run stock clients on my current machines and see nothing anomalous in my point claims. They come in above, below or right at the average for the quorum. I am not always the highest, lowest or w/e.Can anyone debunk this or is it a valid theory that BOINC claims more PPWU than UD?  |
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Former Member
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is it a valid theory that BOINC claims more PPWU than UD? Yes. David Autumns posted the UD points formula back in Jan 2005 at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1505 though he did not emphasize that it was capped at 200% of the [old] reference CPU abilities. Lawrence |
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Didactylos said
----------------------------------------Some members of XS appear to be cheating How`s that then ? Did someone declare anything illegal ? Piss off diddy you`re a pot stirring crabapple. I got no time to play with sad morons who are clueless. If you got evidence someone has broken the rules take it to the project, other than that shut your mouth, cos it crunches much more than your machines ! Isn`t it strange if you go to diddys team homepage the first thing you get is Norton saying an intrusion attempt was blocked....Now I`m not saying they`re hackers but the evidence........<finger> Now YOU can imply whatever you want and cause bad feeling, I feel in your position you definately should know better. It serves no purpose and will cause a lot of animosity. I have no more time for it and I will personally go straight to the name calling so as to cut out the middle crap. If that is what you want this place to become you`ve picked the right man , else you can shut up with your wild accusations that generalise a miriad of good people until you have complete evidence that someone has broken a rule which in your position will be easy to escalate to the project devs ! [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 16, 2006 2:52:14 PM] |
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I'll give my stats as an example. I strictly run BOINC on some very high end machines. WCG global average points per result: 258 My average points per result: 352 And 70 points per hour of runtime. Not quite as heinous as my 105, but still over 2.5 times the average. Most suspicious... you'd best get up against the wall with the rest of us over here. halfcard: Ooh! Where do I join? I vote for the redhead in the green! Or the ginger tabby... carl.h: Umm, thanks for the support, but you're not helping... [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 15, 2006 6:15:56 PM] |
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no he's not rick.
carl......... when they either remove your post or edit it for language, then you can blame me, i have sent a request in for that. if you have something constructive to say then please by all means do so, but without resorting to nasty innuendo and name calling. i know you can do better than that post, i've seen it. Di |
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Former Member
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Nahhh I`m sick and tired of idiots whose sole intention is just to cause trouble, their generalisations on whole groups of people that are not true and are blatant attacks.
----------------------------------------They are worms and I`ve had enough of them, I`ve done enough of the polite enlightenments. They don`t want to listen or to learn just cause trouble, fair enough I`m game for that and I`ve no mind to be patient anymore with plebs whose sole intention is to stir up trouble. Think I give a monkey`s what people think of my real world language ? Think again ! I believe every word I said of that idiot. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Oct 15, 2006 6:55:33 PM] |
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