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Electrolyte
Cruncher Joined: Jun 20, 2006 Post Count: 13 Status: Offline |
I'm not taking part in the project for credit, I never do with any project. This problem has begun to annoy me though, which is rather unfortunate. I've noticed WCG doesn't give as much credit as other projects I have run. ClimatePrediction and Einstein@Home for example both of my systems combined get an RAC of around 800-900, but it appears it's around 350 on WCG.
----------------------------------------I don't have many WUs pending, most of the time my systems will send them off and get the credit instantly. My 2 systems have the following CPU and RAM: AMD FX-55 @ 2.6GHZ 2GB PC3200 RAM Pentium 4 Northwood Extreme Edition @ 3.2GHZ 1.5GB PC3200 RAM Can anyone explain why the average credit is cut in half on this project? I'm running FightAIDS@Home since it's important to me. ![]() |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
A very simple question could answer this: Are u running stock BOINC 5.4.11 (windows) or 5.4.9 (Linux), without benchmark optimised adjustments?
----------------------------------------Nothing gets cut in half, the quorum 3 principle operated at WCG is, that the lowest and highest claim get dismissed, and the one in the middle is awarded to all. WCG credits on work performed, thus if your machine does a job in 1.5 hours and my machine does it in 2 hours, we should in relative terms still get the same amount of credit for the job, except your credit by the '100,000 credit per Teraflop processed' principle of BOINC, receives than 33% more per hour crunching than my PC. On FAAH, on average i get less than then what's claimed. The (my) theory here is, that alot of 'lower' specd machines participate, thus a quorum often determined by machines with lower hourly claims. Lots has been discussed here as well as other projects and at the BOINC developers group as how it can be made more equitable....not going to re-open.......some projects like Rosetta have reverted to ditching the benchmark crediting all together....work is given on the # of structures crunched, which surprisingly, is coming back to being very close to the '100,000 credit per Teraflop processed' principle. Other projects like SIMAP are going to follow the same path as Rosetta as is my reading. I essentially don't care too much about it.....i crunch FAAH exclusively on 1 thread, and HDC (Cancer) on the second, with FAAH/HPF2 as backup in case HDC runs out of backlog. The quorum 3 keeping everything in check, for those machines that suffer from run-away claims. Oh, my CPU runs a stock hourly claim value of 8.11 on average (can be seen in BOINCView). That's per core, thus the more cores/threads/parallel jobs, the more hourly claim....8.11 x 2 = 16.22 per hour of 2 job parellel processing.
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Electrolyte
Cruncher Joined: Jun 20, 2006 Post Count: 13 Status: Offline |
A very simple question could answer this: Are u running stock BOINC 5.4.11 (windows) or 5.4.9 (Linux), without benchmark optimised adjustments? Yes, I've never used optimised clients. I've also noticed very often the credit my machines claim is what everyone else gets. ![]() |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
There u go, that means there was someone else, that had a higher claim than u, and u being the man in the middle ;>)
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi Sek, Electrolyte.
I feel that there is more of an issue here than most realise. First, just to clarify a misconception, my experience has been, that it is the slow machines which claim the most points, not the fastest. Also, and more to this issue, some machines seem to be penalised more than others. My prime example of this is a Celeron D360 2.4 Ghz machine that I run overclocked at 3.6Ghz. This machine has never ever recieved more points than it has claimed and very, very rarely gets its claimed points awarded. On rough calculations it is overall around 28%+ down on its claimed points over a considerable period of time. I have other machines in a similar, but not as severe, situation. Fact is the best reults I have are a break even senario on one machine of seven and the rest are all to some extent, averageing -15%, below claimed points. The celeron has recently been switched to a different project, which does not rely on a quorum, and is producing at least twice the points that it was here. This is part of the optimization process that I am going through with the two BOINC projects which I support and another machine, which is more fairly treated by WCG has been brought to this project to replace the celery so don't panic. The fact remains however that some computers and OSs are treated more and less fairly by this system. It stands to reason that if my computers are overall 15% down on claimed points and they are! Somebody else is basking in the reflected glow, so to speak. I have put my hand up here to tell people what I am doing as far as project changing etc., is concerned and I leave myself open to nasty thoughts and comments as a consequence. Just keep in mind that I am not the only one who has done this type of thing and worse, but raise these issues so that they can be corrected before they cost the project too dearly. Oh, of course the Rosetta project system is "very close to the '100,000 credit per Teraflop processed' principle." That's what it is designed to do!! Cheers. ozylynx ![]() |
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Electrolyte
Cruncher Joined: Jun 20, 2006 Post Count: 13 Status: Offline |
There is something else I forgot to mention. Both of my machines run Linux, so their benchmarks are cut in half compared to Windows (this is the nature of BOINC on Linux, and I wish it would be fixed). Could it also have anything to do with this?
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Electrolyte, if u are saying that before u made 800-900 on Windows elsewhere and now 350 on Linux here, that would be the definitive answer to the massive drop......know people who switched back to WOS just for the points. From a crunching thruput, u should see the same, if not slightly better on Linux.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I feel that there is more of an issue here than most realise. First, just to clarify a misconception, my experience has been, that it is the slow machines which claim the most points, not the fastest. From my experience, this is the opposite. BOINC did penalise the fastest machine within the quorum. |
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Electrolyte
Cruncher Joined: Jun 20, 2006 Post Count: 13 Status: Offline |
Electrolyte, if u are saying that before u made 800-900 on Windows elsewhere and now 350 on Linux here, that would be the definitive answer to the massive drop. No, I wasn't using Windows before. ClimatePrediction and Einstein@Home ditched the benchmarks and use their own system. CPDN gives you credit depending on the position the WU (or model) is at and Einstein@Home give you the same amount of credit for WUs depending on their size - this also goes for Riesel Sieve. Also, one of my team members has a dual-Xeon @ 3GHZ running WCG and on Windows, but he claims far more than me even though my FX-55 and P4 both perform better than his Xeon's. My P4 is basically a Xeon but for desktop computers (runs at 3.2GHZ and has 512KB L2, 2MB L3 cache on the Northwood core). The FX-55 is even faster than the P4. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Electro.
It would seem that the Linux is the governing factor on your machines points. I only have one machine set up for linux but it drops to only 55% of the points claimed on Windows. Productivity is about the same but a different points calculation benchmarking is applied to Linux. cheers. ozylynx ![]() |
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