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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I find WCG listen very well. That doesn't always make it possible for them to meet the demands put to them. May I kindly ask where does it do this listening and how? For example: if and when most of the people did not want cpu throttle and still it came how can you say that wcg listened its members opinions? More importantly all the other grid projects do NOT have that feature so how and who is it meant to fool that this feature was "necessary" All grid projects have a certain amount of attrition. This is caused by people who never got crunching at all, by devices that go offline and are never corrected, and by systems that are retired or reformatted and never have the grid software replaced. Loss due to actual dissatisfaction is probably very small. Such people usually share their unhappiness, whether there is any logic or sound reason behind their problem or not. Again if you take a little bit time and look other grid projects like rosetta & seti & folding etc. you will notice that dissatisfaction can cause thousands of people leaving within weeks. Good thing with this is that those people usually go crunch some other project so their computing power is not totally lost. WCG cannot and MUST not compromise the science for the sake of massaging the ego of a few members. That said, they want to keep everyone happy if they can. And I'm sure you have noticed that we are past the large work units, and the current FAAH work units checkpoint a little more often. I do not see how would issues raised on this thread compromise science? and what does those issues got to do with the ego massaging? Unless you are meaning that giving negative feedback or suggestions and maybe even waiting some smart (not insulting or rude or the ones that expect that the person who asked the question just does not understand) answers is something called ego massaging? |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Please cite a source that supports your conclusion. Please feel free to take a look at the statistics: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewGl....do?numRecordsPerPage=365 WCG does listen to its members. The checkpoint issue was discussed in this thread already and the reason for checkpoints being the way they are has been clearly explained by knowledgeable people like RT. If you chose not to accept the expert information presented so far and chose to believe the checkpoints should suit your needs first and exclude the needs of the project and most other crunchers then feel free to rant on, we all need a good laugh and you will certainly provide one for us. The checkpoint issue is on this thread just because it has not been discussed or notified but people have find it out them selves when they have noticed that they are loosing work their done. How in the world can you say that this has been discussed and explained  That's just the way life is. Some people are too rough, some people are too easily insulted. When you find a solution to that problem please let us know. For some reason this accident of insulting other people constantly happens more or less to the same persons. Could it be possible that those people should correct their way of presenting themselves OR is this just an another issue that we don't understand?  |
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hibernation is always an option too and I am working to make the "how to hibernate" information easier to find, easier to read, etc. Look for an article on hibernation at WCGwiki this weeken if not later today. There's now a read-only news item on hibernation.
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
From Blueroom Quote
----------------------------------------WCG is ALSO loosing members every day and last months more people have left than started. Reasons for this development are for example following: 1. wcg does not listen its members opinion and does decisions like cpu throttle. 2. wcg does not listen its members opinions and does decisions like not having enough checkpoints. Not going to address the checkpointing, for i think its covered and a table was generated for all crunchers listing all the types (THAT I KNOW) of FAAH and their varying checkpoint frequencies which were marked type 1 thru 7. All the HDC's have 4 presently, so no much tabling there. Point 1, Let me make an analogy that pretty much everyone is familiar with. There was a lady who bought a cup of hot coffee at a drive thru restaurant, which she placed between the left and right leg on the driver seat. See had to break, after which the hot coffee burned her privates. She sued the drive thru restaurant and they paid a million+. After that, by coincidence they decided, that worldwide they would not sell coffee hotter than 60 degrees........ Have a look for a post where throttle was mentioned combined with lawyers......The HDC graphical display tells of the throttle and points to the throttle tool. I'm sure all future projects will have that notification feature....and whilst HPF2 is reconditioned for production and FAAH is going to last until at least Q1 of 2007, I'm sure WCG will adapt the graphical interface to inform the members further. Signed The K.I.S.S.
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Former Member
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Please cite a source that supports your conclusion. Please feel free to take a look at the statistics: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewGl....do?numRecordsPerPage=365 Those statistics say nothing conclusive about net membership gain. WCG does listen to its members. The checkpoint issue was discussed in this thread already and the reason for checkpoints being the way they are has been clearly explained by knowledgeable people like RT. If you chose not to accept the expert information presented so far and chose to believe the checkpoints should suit your needs first and exclude the needs of the project and most other crunchers then feel free to rant on, we all need a good laugh and you will certainly provide one for us. The checkpoint issue is on this thread just because it has not been discussed or notified but people have find it out them selves when they have noticed that they are loosing work their done. How in the world can you say that this has been discussed and explained I said it was discussed and explained in this thread and it was. It has been discussed and explained in other recent threads too. If it has not been discussed and explained to your satisfaction then feel free to ask a question on the topic. That's just the way life is. Some people are too rough, some people are too easily insulted. When you find a solution to that problem please let us know. For some reason this accident of insulting other people constantly happens more or less to the same persons. Could it be possible that those people should correct their way of presenting themselves OR is this just an another issue that we don't understand? It's a possibility. Let me think about it. Hang on...  Nope, it ain't gonna happen. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Not going to address the checkpointing, for i think its covered and a table was generated for all crunchers listing all the types (THAT I KNOW) of FAAH and their varying checkpoint frequencies which were marked type 1 thru 7. All the HDC's have 4 presently, so no much tabling there. I am sorry if I just missed something but I havent seen this table? Where can I find it? Where was it published? Point 1, Let me make an analogy that pretty much everyone is familiar with. There was a lady who bought a cup of hot coffee at a drive thru restaurant, which she placed between the left and right leg on the driver seat. See had to break, after which the hot coffee burned her privates. She sued the drive thru restaurant and they paid a million+. After that, by coincidence they decided, that worldwide they would not sell coffee hotter than 60 degrees........ Have a look for a post where throttle was mentioned combined with lawyers......The HDC graphical display tells of the throttle and points to the throttle tool. I'm sure all future projects will have that notification feature....and whilst HPF2 is reconditioned for production and FAAH is going to last until at least Q1 of 2007, I'm sure WCG will adapt the graphical interface to inform the members further. At first I want to say that since I am not living in US I can still have my coffee hotter that 60 degrees :) Secondly even IF this throttle feature was done because of demand from IBM lawyers how can you explain that there are hundreds of software's that use 100%cpu and I haven't seen ANY software company's implement this kind of feature to their products. More importantly why doesn't other grid projects have this feature? Not even those that have been running a lot longer than wcg? What comes to the future projects it is very nice to hear that there is going to be positive development. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 4, 2006 12:05:42 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Those statistics say nothing conclusive about net membership gain. Yeah statistics do not say nothing at all ,it is just that there is in your words 9000people joining every month and statistics show that average results/runtime/day have dropped. But yeah sure you cant make any conclusions Indeed it is always possible that just for some reason those 9000people have very very slow machines I said it was discussed and explained in this thread and it was. It has been discussed and explained in other recent threads too. If it has not been discussed and explained to your satisfaction then feel free to ask a question on the topic. As I said I think its a "little" late to explain issue that caused many of members loosing so much of their work. Still ,better late than never. What comes to the explanations I am not very convinced but if other people are, fine by me. That's just the way life is. Some people are too rough, some people are too easily insulted. When you find a solution to that problem please let us know. For some reason this accident of insulting other people constantly happens more or less to the same persons. Could it be possible that those people should correct their way of presenting themselves OR is this just an another issue that we don't understand? It's a possibility. Let me think about it. Hang on... Nope, it ain't gonna happen. People have of course every right to express themselves as they want but then they should be aware that nothing what they say is taken seriously. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 4, 2006 12:14:20 PM] |
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Former Member
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Those statistics say nothing conclusive about net membership gain. Yeah statistics do not say nothing at all ,it is just that there is in your words 9000people joining every month and statistics show that average results/runtime/day have dropped. But yeah sure you cant make any conclusions Indeed it is always possible that just for some reason those 9000people have very very slow machines You are going to feel like an idiot someday when you realise there are a number of other explanations for the dip in the stats. I think that feeling will be appropriate. People have of course every right to express themselves as they want but then they should be aware that nothing what they say is taken seriously. I'm sure you have far more experience with that than I do so I will take your word on it. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7849 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Blueroom,
----------------------------------------One of the places the table posted by Sekerob is located at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=8331#68267. Try not to be insulted. I have only been on WCG for a short time and have found those that answer my questions to be quite helpful. Sometimes their answers are over my head, but that just means I need to do more research to fully understand what they are trying to tell me. People worry too much about the 60% throttle, just let your machine crunch, it will get there, just a little slower. Point of info: The 60 degree coffee is in Celsius, which I think right off the top of my head is about 125-130 Fahrenheit.(Please correct if wrong) Sgt. Joe
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retsof
Former Community Advisor USA Joined: Jul 31, 2005 Post Count: 6824 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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People worry too much about the 60% throttle, just let your machine crunch, it will get there, just a little slower. The 60% throttle is a default value. It was set after a lot of gripes from hot laptops and hot owners. One can always download the throttle tool and change it.The troubleshooting page explains it and has a link to the throttle tool program download. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=trouble#230
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