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confused please help a new user.

I have two devices but the points on the two don't seem to add up. What's the deal? One says 505 and one says 2243. And, the online listing lists 1689. Before you add 505 and 1689, I've already done it, it's 2194, so that's not where the 2243 is coming from. If you saw a similar post over in the new member area, it's also mine.

Please e-mail me at Grid@dawhitfield.endjunk.com if you have an answer.
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Douglas --

The "My Statistics" page and device statistics have befuddled a number of us. First things first; the statistics page is updated one time per day at 6:00 AM GMT, but only results reported before midnight are included, so if you complete a work unit at 2:00 AM GMT, it will not be included in your statistics until the following day. So, if you look at the device statistics for your two systems online, you will see that they are all from December 1 or earlier and they will add up to the 1689 that you see. Then, the values you see reported by the WCG Agent running on your system are the sum of the points for your systems from the online database (I think that it is the actual current total at that point in time and not the value from the statistics report) plus the points awarded as a work unit completes. Thus I would assume that your system that is reporting 505 has been executing the same work unit for some time and it either was the first to complete a work unit valued at 505 points, or perhaps it completed one for say 200 points when the online database had already accumulated 305 points for you. The system with 2243 points reported by the WCG Agent has obviously completed at least one work unit sometime after midnight last night GMT and has added the newly awarded points (looks like that unit was 554 points) to that on the database to give you 2243 points. Hope I didn't leave you as confused as I sound -- LOL

-- Dave Bell
PS -- I will e-mail you a cut/paste of this
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Re: please help a new user.

This is not going to be easy to answer but bear with me and I'll give it my best shot.

If you've got 2 pc's running the agent the points totals showing on each individual agent reflects the total number of points both PC's had posted at the time the last complete work unit was posted back to WCG from that PC. So the one that says 2243 was the last PC to have completed a work unit and so shows the bigger total number of points. The next time the PC with agent showing 505 points at the moment completes it's work unit it will post it back to WCG and it's total should leap up past 2243 and so on and so on.

Now to complicate matters still further we have the statistics total on the website which as you rightly say do not match either 505 or 2243

Deep breath

This is confusing everybody

The points on the website reflect the total number of points posted back from completed work units up until 23:59 GMT (UTC) the previous day. If you have posted a result at 00:01 that work unit has missed the boat and will not show up on the website until the following day.

OK - There's more

The WCG computers tally up all the work units, points, cpu time that everyone has posted up until 23:59 GMT (UTC) the previous day but this doesn't occur until 06:00 GMT (UTC) so the stats from 00:00 to 06:00 will not immediately show the results up to 23:59 GMT we have to wait until this process has completed which is taking at the moment until roughly 07:20 GMT. With more users each day being added this will take longer and longer to complete. After this time your website stats will show another days extra results.

This is why the website stats you are seeing are lagging the 2243 points you can currently see on your agent that has posted the last work unit. This work unit has not been as yet absorbed into the websites totals

unfortunately there's more as somewhere in the process of calculating your points, which are roughly based on CPU power and length of time for a work unit, there are rounding errors in this calculation and this has the consequence that the points on the web may not match the points on your agent. This error is usually very small 1 or 2 points or there abouts. Sometimes you will win sometimes you will lose.


Hope this helps clear up the seemingly random numbers - there is some method in the madness.

I hope this is clear enough

If not post back

Welcome to the world of Crunching

Dave
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Following has been duly emailed:

The World Community Grid Agent shows the sum total points awarded (and total CPU time) for results successfully returned to the web site. If you have the points, the web site has results. However, the statistics program is run on the site at 0600 GMT (1 AM EST) to create a history of results returned by 23:59:59 GMT the previous day (before 7 PM EST). About 2AM EST the site is updated with the new results. So you will normally have more points awarded in your Agent’s memory than the site shows.

You can take a detailed look at what the web site has received from each of your computers. An easy way (not the only way) to check on a device is to go to your Member Area. Then click on Device Installations. This will take you to the Device Manager – Device Statistics page which lists all your devices. If you click on a particular Device Name, it takes you to the Device Statistics History page for that device. This has a table with 4 columns:

Statistics Date -- Total CPU Time -- Points Generated – Results Returned

Any day without a result returned will be omitted. This shows the CPU time spent on the results returned and the points awarded for results returned that day. This lets you see how that computer is doing. I assume that this list is created at 0600 UTC each day and will not include any results returned after that time.
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Wow, we are really working with enthusiasm here. There was no answer when I started on this one.
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Re: please help a new user.

Morning Lawrence its 00:35 here in the UK

I was taken by suprise too Dave Bell must have rattled that off. I cut and pasted mine into word just in case I had taken too long and timed out.

We should get together and write a book on this Grid malarky.

Check out feedback/suggestions for my seti@home post it's getting pretty silly in here.

I'm off to bed now

Night

Dave
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Hi David and Lawrence --

Yeah, we did all trip over one another on this one didn't we. Well, at least it looks like the 3 of us all have the same understanding about the numbers and how they add up. The one thing none of us mentioned is that there are rounding differences between the Agent and the online database. I forget which one rounds up when the other rounds down, but the bottom line is that at some points in time, there may be a point or two difference between the online statistics and what the Agent reports.

The big thing is that while the points can give you a bit of a measure of how your contribution to the project is growing, the accumulation of points isn't what this is all about. It is about us all banding together to provide scientists working for the betterment of mankind with computing power to accomplish that work.
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