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confused Extended support for groups of 'unsophisticated' computer users

I've created a team in order to recruit people to join WCG but I myself only joined about two weeks ago so I don't have enough experience to advise people on any problems they might encounter.

I've referred people to the Help pages and the Forums – but the potential members of my group come from all walks of life with a wide range of computer experience, from PHD scientists to people whose only claim to computer experience is that they own one. It's these non-pro users that I'm concerned about here.

Nowadays a computer is like any other household gadget – people have them in their living rooms, they use them to do the things they want to do and they don't feel the need to know what's happening inside. These 'laymen' can't be expected to negotiate their way around a forum in order to contribute to charity, yet the processing power they're willing to contribute is as valuable as the power of expert users or committed professionals, and there are more of them around.

The current Support approach of 'Contact us directly if all else fails' doesn't extend enough of a helping hand to these groups of people who need it – I'd like to be able to say 'Don't bother with the forums if you're not familiar with how to use them, go straight to the support team'. More than this, it would really help if I could say to potential members that the support staff are on special alert to take care of this team.

That extra bit of assurance would be so valuable to people who may feel out of their depth, even if in the end they may never need to ask for help.

I am aware there is a cost issue here. However, as I said, there are greater numbers of unsophisticated users around and I do intend to actively recruit them. So please can I tell potential recruits that the support staff have been told to expect to hear from this team?

Also… I've been wondering if there's a voluntary community advisor who would be willing to join my group of potential recruits in order to answer general questions in our own forum as they arise – I've set up an online group (on an amateur photography website) for people who have expressed an interest in WCG but who may need more information before joining. What I'm asking is: is there a community adviser willing to join a photography website and log on reularly to answer simple questions in that forum rather than here (I'm not expecting them to change their WCG team or have any great commitment to photography).

Currently I've recruited 21 'interested people' of whom 7 have already signed up to WCG but if I could say the group has a resident expert and a support team is waiting for them I could go ahead and recruit many more.
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Re: Extended support for groups of 'unsophisticated' computer users



The current Support approach ...

That extra bit of assurance ...

I am aware there is a cost issue here. ....

Currently I've recruited 21 'interested people' of whom 7 have already signed up to WCG but if I could say the group has a resident expert and a support team is waiting for them I could go ahead and recruit many more.



hmm... interesting thought, i am not a comm admin nor tech person, i have some idea of the bascis and if i am doing nuthin else i might be able to "chat" to soe newbies, for example i talked a friend thru msn messenger then used it's remote assistance to watch them setup wcg,, added bonus they joinded our team yeah, anyway i might add my msn messenger name to the list for possible contact , i am a little reluctant to do it cos there are way better people than me to do this , although i would be a "freebie" support person.. could help with ultra -basics.. if there is interst in this kind of thing there sure , i guess a bunch of people would help, i wonder though - if people are "connected/savvy enough to get to the forums then it has answers to everything jsut about, i guess "live online" help might have a place,
might be a challenge having non approved?? wcg membber support might be issue wot do others think esp com admins and tech people etc?? otherwise i (we/ others? all) could just put link somewhere for instsant messenger program msn yahho aol wotever etc>???
my 1st instinct was to put my msn messenger link here but not sure about that, would have to think about it a bit more cheers
i suspect that as u say - more people would be involved if somebody helps them get started etc etc
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Re: Extended support for groups of 'unsophisticated' computer users

Hmmm. It's an interesting idea. Unfortunately, we can't expect the nice folk at WCG to give special treatment to any team. They already do a great job when a real problem emerges, but they simply don't have time to deal with all the trivia. That's what we're for.

Fortunately, there are already teams that will go to any length to help their members (and members of other teams, too). My team, for example. A lot of the smaller teams are very supportive, too.

And you're right - PhDs can be bl**dy useless with computers! :-D

I've found that the best approach is to point people straight to the sign up page, but to reassure them that should anything go wrong, they should come to me, and I'll find the solution somehow. So far, I've had quite a good success rate....
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Re: Extended support for groups of 'unsophisticated' computer users

Didactylos hit the nail right on the head... we are a small team and do what we can to support everyone equally. Having said that, from the "Contact Us" emails, in answering, we always strive to provide an answer which is geared toward the content of the email that we receive. We can usually tell from the email if a member is computer savvy or not and answer accordingly. Often members let us know that their understanding of computers is not great so then we know how to respond.
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Thanks for your replies, guys.

I can take it from bbover3's reply that people who are not computer savvy are welcome and I think that may be enough to tell my potential members as far as using the official Support service, so thank you.

Didactylos, I've taken on board what you said but I think I need to explain what I mean more clearly.

I am recruiting from a general cross-section of the population who use a computer as a simple entertainment tool. By the laws of chance some of these people may happen to be knowledgeable computer 'geeks' but most of them will not so they will need answers on a plate or not bother to join up.

I can't refer them to a particularly helpful member in the forums simply because I don't expect them to visit the forums at all. The helpful member is going to have to come to us. I do suggest to people to visit the forums but the reality of the matter is that non-pro-users can't be expected to find their way through this maze of information with the sole motivation of helping a charity – they simply won't bother to join up.

My plan is to invite 'unsophisticated' computer users to join an online group (on a photgraphy website) where they can find out about WCG. Their questions are going to be simple beginner concerns. For instance, one person asked me how this scheme would affect the safety of his computer – no doubt a community adviser would know immediately how to answer this question but I had to spend time trawling through the forums to try to find the information. If I have to spend time learning the details of how WCG operates I won't have time to recruit anyone at all.

I realise that a community adviser is likely to have a wealth of technical knowledge about advanced computer problems and specialist techniques so the simple questions of beginners may seem tedious and trivial. However if WCG is aiming to increase the computer power on the grid then discussing the intricacies of over-clocking and such with computer buffs is almost an irrelevance – a community adviser's time will net the grid far more computer power by offering basic reassurance to a large group of unsophisticated housewives and hairdressers.

The main benefit of having a resident community adviser is simply the reassurance it offers to people invited to join the group – in practice people may have no need to ask any questions whatsoever.

So far I have recruited only a small group of interested people. The potential number of members easily matches the size of the organisations that WCG feature on the front page. It's difficult to say how many people will have joined WCG by the end of the year but without the help of a community adviser it won't be more than double figures.

So it would make a huge difference if someone knowledgeable about WCG would join my photography forum. All that would be involved is logging on once a day or so to see if there are any questions. It's free to join so if anyone would like to take a look please let me know.

By the way 'housewives and hairdressers' was an exaggeration – my team includes research scientists and other professionals, they just don't know anything about WCG.

(Thanks also Retep57 for volunteering to help if need be)
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Re: Extended support for groups of 'unsophisticated' computer users

Ah, right. You want someone to join your forum.

My idea was that you answer the easy questions yourself, and mediate the difficult questions between your board and this. I for one don't mind answering questions in other places if it's a public forum. What would be impractical would be to camp out there on the offchance of someone having a problem. And as for netting yourself a CA - most of them are already affiliated with a team. Not all, though.

So, you can do two things:

Relay any difficult questions to us here, providing a link to the original question if you want us to answer the question directly.

Point your users to previous answers and FAQs here, if the question is something you are familiar with.

If you don't feel comfortable asking what may be trivial questions here in the support forums, then just post the question in your own team thread. The team threads actually seem to get more traffic than the rest of the forum, so your posts won't be overlooked.

I hope you find this a practical solution, and I wish you luck with the recruitment.
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Thanks, Didactylos, you've been very helpful. I'll give it some more thought – in the meantime I must admit I'm still hoping a budding photographer WCG expert will read this post
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I will probably answer some simple questions myself and point people to FAQs but I'd like to leave the bulk of the work to someone who knows the right answers and who people trust.

Also it will free a lot of time for me to get on with recruiting new people if I can give someone else the responsibility of providing answers – basically I believe my time would be best spent by recruiting interested people to an online (photography) group that a WCG expert can 'convert' into WCG members by responding to their questions.

It's a public forum, it's straightforward to join. It wouldn't be a case of an adviser logging on and waiting for questions to be posted – if questions have been posted then go ahead and answer them then log off and get back to the interesting technical questions in the WCG forum (people won't be entering into live chats so there's no need to hang around).

By far the main advantage will be the feeling of reassurance given to potential new recruits. I believe the idea that the group has its own expert will be a major clincher in getting people to join even if they never actually need to ask any questions at all.

To begin with I would prefer to add only a trickle of potential recruits till the team is up and running smoothly, so initially there wouldn't be many questions. I also expect that future growth will be sporadic – the important thing would be for the adviser to still log in for questions even during times when the group isn't growing.

It would be perfect if an adviser would not only join the photography forum but join our WCG team – they will be playing a fundamental role in creating that team so would be very welcome to join. However, if the adviser wishes to stay with their existing WCG team and just 'help us out' then that would be perfectly fine, they could always join at a later date if they wanted.
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hey i would love to recruit others. i am having very limited success, i have only recruited 3 others since year dot :( i do have another likely candidate ) i would be happy to do the occasional msn messenger chat to help set someone up for ultrabasic stuff , ie click this link for wcg, then type name etc, or even do a remote assistance install / setup for them, would rather recruit for the team i am in of course LOL, but as per others in posts above it is the big picture that counts and i view teams as a bit of fun only and it is results that count, IMHO.. hmm i might even volunteer handy little links to our team.. hmm maybe the wiki's should be updated, i take the point of some people might be gamers or enteretainment mainly typr people but if we could do the setup for them or talk them thru they might come and help.. cheers.. , nice discussion btw

nb my email is in the footer here and also my homepage ( very modest page) , my email is also my msn messenger name so if someone temporarily asks for a quick walkthru i might consider it, or a happy hello from teamies or others with helpful or interesting info or who might benefit from my exceedinlg meager talents.. cheers
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Don't forget, all the experts are doing their best to recruit too. Quite a few are team captains, so I suspect you won't easily be able to pull them away from the teams they've worked long and hard for.

But go ahead and post the URL of your photography forum, and I'm sure people will do their best to help you.
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