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Hi, using the excel worksheet for the WCG work unit progress estimation, I estimated my last work unit to generate some 1560 points for the total runtime of 3d:5h:29m:7s.
But when the WU was finished I was credited only 1000 points.How come there is so much variation.I understand that the worksheet is only a guide estimation but even then so much variation is unacceptable.

I use a UD agent and Im running the HPF project.
Any possible explanations?
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

If you are using BOINC, points are awarded based on everybody's average. I wonder whether that is the problem. If you are using the UD agent, there can be some very minor differences between points and statistics, depending on the source.

Yours sounds like a larger difference than usual but there are only 2 results so far. Since you are a fairly new member and it takes several days to generate a result for you, I'm not sure whether the technicians have enough information to comment.

They may ask for more if they want to track it.

Points are also influenced by your CPU type, amount of memory, and amount of virtual storage (default 1 Gb ... change to 10 Gb in the device profile for best results if you have that much disk drive space available. It isn't all used for the current projects.)

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Total Run Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 0:006:07:11:58 (#127,360)
Points Generated 1,960 (#142,673)
Results Returned (Rank) 2 (#159,528)
Avg. Run Time Per Calendar Day (y:d:h:m:s) 0:000:15:07:12
Avg. Run Time Per Result (y:d:h:m:s) 0:003:03:35:59
Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time 12.96301
Avg. Points Per Calendar Day 196.00000
Avg. Points Per Result 980.00000
Avg. Results Per Calendar Day 0.20000
Last Result Returned (UTC) 04/08/2006 22:23:17 [14+ hour(s) ago]
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

What spreadsheet is it, anyway?

As retsof says, there are a lot of factors involved, and you can't calculate the final points until you have the results of the final benchmark.

Estimating points (or progress) part way through a work unit is a futile task. This sort of biological modelling uses non-deterministic algorithms, and progress is not linear. If the spreadsheet is flawed in some way, then you will get totally meaningless results. If it is perfect in every way, then you will just get unhelpful results.

Your scores so far don't seem in any way out of the ordinary. Remember, the biggest factor in the points calculation is the result of the CPU benchmark, and this can vary significantly depending on what you are doing at the time.

Taking a closer look at your results, I suspect that the spreadsheet is flawed, since any sane estimate would place your points a lot closer to 1000. Where did you get this spreadsheet from?
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

I got the spead sheet from the forum only.I dont remember exactly from which thread i downloaded it.Your replies were somewhat understandable for me.Ill have to go through them again once or twice to get a good grasp of what you have said in there.
Thanks anyway.
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

Okay, I've looked at the spreadsheet, and I've looked at your previous statistics. This one has a simple solution :-D

You need to change the Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time to the figure given in your statistics (My Grid). When you do this, the estimation is 1004 points, so it really is fairly close. This accounts for the huge discrepancy you reported, but remember it's never going to be totally accurate.
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

I have found that the benchmarks for both UD and BOINC tend to undervalue my desktop machine, and overvalue my Laptop machine, compared to the expectations from other std benchmarks such as SISOFT SANDRA.

If faster machines are in general undervalued (I dont know this), then BOINC has the advantage of awarding the quorum average number of points. So in my case, BOINC always awards my fast Desktop more points than it claims. My slower laptop is usually awarded less than it claims.

Benchmark programs can be pretty complicated things in themselves. I think the benchmark routines in UD and BOINC are probably fairly simple (obviously the main effort needs to go into the project, not the benchmark). But with BOINC the quorum average idea probably irons out the differences. In any case, crunching is not just about points, is it?

I have just benchmarked both my machines. My Laptop, a Pentium M 1.86GHz 512MB gets 1619 double precisision MIPS and 3368 Integer MIPS. My desktop, a 3GHz Pentium D only gets 1506 double precisision MIPS and 2484 Integer MIPS for each core !! sad As I said, other benchmarks tell me there is nothing wrong with my Desktop.

I think another factor may be how busy the pc is at the moment UD/BOINC performs a benchmark - if the cpu is busy at that moment with other tasks, a low result may be obtained which will undervalue the next result. I schedule BOINC to suspend at the same time I have scheduled an antivirus/antispyware scan to start.
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Re: Lesser Points Credited

but remember it's never going to be totally accurate.


OK yea after all its only an estimation and not the real stat.
I tried changing the Avg. Points Per Hour of Run Time.Now it seems to work fine.Rhanks didactylos
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cool Re: Lesser Points Credited

Based on my statistical analysis of 500 entries...

H3 = Actual CPU
I3 = Actual Memory
J3 = Actual Storage
K3 = Actual Network

Overall PC performance =
ROUND(ROUND(H3*0.3846,0)+ROUND(I3*0.2451,0)+ROUND(J3*0.044,0)+ROUND(K3*0.3446,0),0)

Assumptions:
Not a good sample as it comes from one PC only
CPU variation is mostly close to 170+.
Variation of memory is only done for 512M and 2GB.
Variation of Storage is done by varying the extremes on webpage
Network is not varied at all (so, it's really a constant offset).

With the above assumptions, Actual vs Estimate is 99% at +-2 points


D3 = Overall PC Performance (this is provided "after" your points are uploaded, or u can use the number above)
E3 = Runtime in seconds
Points = ROUND(D3*E3/19025.7,0)

Actual vs Estimate is 92% at +-2 points
& 61% at 0 points variation.

No idea what the constants mean...
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