Index  | Recent Threads  | Unanswered Threads  | Who's Active  | Guidelines  | Search
 

Quick Go »
No member browsing this thread
Thread Status: Active
Total posts in this thread: 9
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread
Author
Previous Thread This topic has been viewed 1711 times and has 8 replies Next Thread
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

1) Global Stats:
CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) 142:037:18:03:50
142 years ? Whats that? Error likely

2) yes, this software should have CPU throttle and should remove ALL data when uninstalled. And what about having to remove all those registry errors at uninstallation? Uninstall should take care of this.
Computing Data allocation should be able to be set on another harddrive or partition than the Program files one.

3) I have a Dell Dimension 3000, 3.0Ghz HT. I wish there was some software to monitor CPU temperature. I did email them, but they have nothing. Any generic software out there?

4) I would rely on Intel experts rather than other users to check if its ok to let the CPU run 100% all the time and how it effects system life. Our commonsense seems to suggest the CPU life might be effected and people compare it to an engine running, but its different technology. We need expert opinion, not personal opinion on this. I dont care if my CPU burned out after 5 years of operation because I'll be getting a new CPU anyway by that time. Ofcourse I dont want it to burn out soon, but then again, we should ask technology experts from those industries on what they think, so maybe I'll email Intel or Dell and ask about 100% usage 24/7.

5) How is total system power effected by 100% cpu usage? If the thing heats so much, it might be taking in more power. I have a feeling it wouldnt be that much a difference. I wish I had an Ammeter to measure the total current on my system. Anyone know about this?

6) This forum is acting funny! It seems to keep logging me out and yes, cookies are on. I sent an email the board admin.
[Nov 24, 2004 6:21:24 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
cool Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

First, CPU time of 142 years total is correct. Each day adds a number of years CPU time. Just add up all the hours for all the computers runnin simultaneously.

Last, the Forum suddenly signed everybody out. I had to sign back in. ???

In the middle, CPU usage of 100 % is reasonable for a big desktop with lots of air blowing through it as long as it is not overclocked with a tremendous graphics card. However, laptops are compromise machines (think pistol as compared with rifle) so this can be a genuine concern. For a Dell Dimension, the only problem should be with fan wear, assuming the room is cool and nothing is blocking the air.
[Nov 24, 2004 6:35:34 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Alther
Former World Community Grid Tech
United States of America
Joined: Sep 30, 2004
Post Count: 414
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

1) Global Stats:
CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) 142:037:18:03:50
142 years ? Whats that? Error likely

No, this is correct. It's the total computing time of all devices accumulated so far.
3) I have a Dell Dimension 3000, 3.0Ghz HT. I wish there was some software to monitor CPU temperature. I did email them, but they have nothing. Any generic software out there?

Various motherboard manufacturers usually supply some kind of monitoring software since nearly all recent motherboards have temperature sensors on them. e.g. I have an MSI motherboard in my home machine and it came with some monitoring software. I also use a tool called Motherboard Monitor which is fantastic. It lets you monitor anything your motherboard is capable of: CPU temp, case temp, fan RPMs, etc. It also lets you set temp alerts and will even shut down your machine nicley if temps go above a threshold you set.
4) I would rely on Intel experts rather than other users to check if its ok to let the CPU run 100% all the time and how it effects system life. Our commonsense seems to suggest the CPU life might be effected and people compare it to an engine running, but its different technology. We need expert opinion, not personal opinion on this. I dont care if my CPU burned out after 5 years of operation because I'll be getting a new CPU anyway by that time. Ofcourse I dont want it to burn out soon, but then again, we should ask technology experts from those industries on what they think, so maybe I'll email Intel or Dell and ask about 100% usage 24/7.

This is just my personal experience, but I've been running grid computing clients (SETI and UD) since 1999 on all of my various machines which run 24/7/365 and have never had a problem. As long as you have adequate cooling, you should be fine. I use the retail heat sinks and case fans and nothing more, so you shouldn't need to do anything special to your system. Also, newer chips, such as AMD64 and Pentium 4/m will automatically throttle down the frequency if they become too hot.
Check out AMDs Cool 'n' Quiet technology overview.
Intel has similar technology, but their site seems to be having problems at the moment.

The only thing that you might be wary of is overclocking. Running the CPU and other components out of spec is always risky. It may work, but nobody's guaranteeing it.
5) How is total system power effected by 100% cpu usage? If the thing heats so much, it might be taking in more power. I have a feeling it wouldnt be that much a difference. I wish I had an Ammeter to measure the total current on my system. Anyone know about this?

Yes, it's using more power. How much, I couldn't say. It's dependant on several factors including your CPU make/model, speed and chipset among other things.
----------------------------------------
Rick Alther
Former World Community Grid Developer
[Nov 24, 2004 9:02:38 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

I see so if its 1 hour of 1000 CPU's, that amounts to total 1000 hours CPU time. And this disregards how fast the CPU was, right? If you took the speeds into account, it would become much more complicated (like a weighted average system), e.g.:
10 hours of 500 Mhz (may be equal) = 1 hour of 3Ghz P4 [just an example]
So I take its not this kind weighted average system because you'd have to shift everything when new CPU's came out and blah -complicated.

Anyway I tried installing many CPU/MB temperature monitoring softwares and now I tried your Motherboard Monitor which seemed the best software. It said I have no 'Main sensor' and so that wont work.

I did a crazy thing, I had this extra $2.99 12v fan so I hooked it up in the CPU and now there's 2 fans cooling my CPU. I checked the temperatures with my fingers and the extra fan did make a difference. It tries to push the other older fan to go faster. Its a little more noise (fast whirring sound), but anyway atleast its running cooler. I'll keep it like this until something else happens. I checked from the Intel site, my CPU seems to be consuming 80~100 watts somewhere in that range and higher CPU usage probably adds only 20 more watts, however more wattage from the input side(110v) would be requried since no system is 100% efficient. I'll wait to get an ammeter to get an accurate result.
and I did check the die temperature at 100% cpu usage -that thing is hot to touch! With another fan, it cooled down significantly though I wish my MB would work with the monitoring software so I can get accurate readings.

I started my task today and its already 30%. I heard it takes usually a week to complete the task, so maybe my CPU did real good eh? Or did I misunderstand?

And this project just started on 9/20, 2 months ago ?(looking at the usage graphs ). That means the graph is going to climb up very fast as new users are being added.
----------------------------------------
[Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 24, 2004 11:57:58 PM]
[Nov 24, 2004 11:41:31 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Alther
Former World Community Grid Tech
United States of America
Joined: Sep 30, 2004
Post Count: 414
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

I see so if its 1 hour of 1000 CPU's, that amounts to total 1000 hours CPU time. And this disregards how fast the CPU was, right?

Exactly.
Anyway I tried installing many CPU/MB temperature monitoring softwares and now I tried your Motherboard Monitor which seemed the best software. It said I have no 'Main sensor' and so that wont work.

If your motherboard doesn't have temp sensors, you won't be able to monitor anything.
I started my task today and its already 30%. I heard it takes usually a week to complete the task, so maybe my CPU did real good eh? Or did I misunderstand?

Yes, you misunderstand. Work units vary in how complicated they are. The more complicated the work unit, the longer it takes to complete. Obviously, the speed of your CPU makes a huge difference too. Work units can take anywhere from a few hours to several days to complete.

And this project just started on 9/20, 2 months ago ?(looking at the usage graphs ). That means the graph is going to climb up very fast as new users are being added.

Not really. The project was officially open to the public on 16 Nov. Data you see before that date were from beta testers.
----------------------------------------
Rick Alther
Former World Community Grid Developer
[Nov 25, 2004 8:48:07 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

I see.
There's a huge increase in the swap file when I run the program - It increases by 300 MB and my total swap is now 570MB. Is it necessary to use this much swap space? I was hoping to buy 512MB RAM to have my total as 768MB but with if I continue to use the program, the swap will still be tight.
[Nov 25, 2004 8:58:00 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

I have a Dell Dimension 3000, 3.0Ghz HT. I wish there was some software to monitor CPU temperature. I did email them, but they have nothing. Any generic software out there?

Apparently Dell temp sensors are undocumented. Here's a program that uncovered *some* Dell laptop sensors by reverse engineering and uses them to control the fans:

http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/index.html

"I8kfanGUI is a graphical Windows application to show the internal temperatures and to control the fan operation on the Dell Inspiron 8000/8100/8200 notebook series and many other Dell notebooks. It's running under all current Windows versions (98/ME/NT4/2000/XP/Server2003). The fan control and temperature detection is based on the fan and thermistor tests of the Dell diagnostics software. I got the technical details by disassembling portions of the Dell diagnostics software, because Dell was not willing to publish information on how to get control over the fans to prevent overheating. So this program uses undocumented Dell SMBIOS functions to detect the temperature sensors and to control the fans."

Since the Dimension isn't a laptop, you're probably out of luck with this program. There are some forums mentioned at the above link where you could start chasing down a solution, and Google is always worth a try. The program covers my laptop (Inspiron 8100) but it is beyond my level of competence with critical hardware, and I'm too chicken to chance it.
[Nov 25, 2004 10:04:40 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

First off, weighing CPU power vs time between the masses of different processors out there would be difficult and a pretty intensive statistic to generate and wouldn't be so hugely relevent. They do the next best thing by doing a comparison between time vs results returned.

Dells do have sensors onboard, but usually they've been disabled via the BIOS or the BIOS hasn't been updated to enable temperatures to be monitored during windows operation.

As for your swap file increasing, this is normal under regular windows operation. You just don't regularly notice this as when you're running CPU intensive programs (games etc) you're not looking at your swap file at the same time. It's just that this program tends to run in the background whilst you go about doing whatever you do on your computer and thus you can actually see the windows managed swap file increasing.
Also, 570mb isn't that big at all for a windows swap file, you'll find it will sometimes increase into several gigibytes when intensive programs such as video editing and even games. The swap file is stored on your harddrive and not in RAM, you should have at LEAST that amount of space free just to run Windows XP properly.

Also when buying RAMM, you're using an Intel HT which 'typically' has a dual memory interface provided that your motherboard chipset supports it. But then Dell is pretty cheap with it's motherboards, check your motherboard manual to confirm it has this ability. So it tends to be better to swap out both DIMM sticks with identical memory for noticibly better performance. In other words, sell your current 256meg RAMM and buy 2x 512meg RAMMs.
[Nov 25, 2004 10:13:34 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Global Usage 142 years and Misc. stuff

XtremeS
thanks but I wasnt able to make any program work. Probably there's no sensor cause I bought this pc real cheap (dell dimension 3000). I couldnt find any way to discover hidden sensors anywhere. The forum doesnt talk about them too. but thanks for the try!

Anarkist,
I still dont see the need for the swap file to increase by 300MB. I dont know of any other program that gives that big an increase (photoshop, dreamweaver etc.)
[Nov 27, 2004 9:33:34 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread