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Good Morning Guys

Here is an interesting observation

Rig #1
AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1.5 Gig of Ram
2 Meg ADSL Connection
10 Gig HD Space Allocated
Overall Score 220
BOINC started computing a WU with an estimated completion time of 8 hours
In actual fact the time to completion was 4 hours
Completed in 50% of the time stated
This has been the average since I installed BOINC on this machine

Rig #2
AMD Athlon 2000+
1.25 Gig of Ram
2 Meg ADSL Connection
10 Gig HD Space Alocation
Overall Score 170
BOINC started computing a WU with an estimated completion time of 8 hours
In actual fact the time to completion was 6.0 hours
Completed in 75% of the time stated
This has been the average since I installed BOINC on this machine

Rig #3
Intel 1.8
512 Meg of ram
1 Meg ADSL Connection
10 Gig Hd Space Allocation
Overall Score 105
BOINC started computing a WU
BOINC started computing a WU with an estimated completion time of 8 hours
In actual fact the time to completion was 7.7 hours
Completed in 98% of the time stated
This has been the average since I installed BOINC on this machine

Results for Rig #1
Points on UD Manager = 320 points 1 WU Returned
Points on BOINC Manager = 640 points 2 WU's returned

Conclusion
If an 8 hour WU can be completed twice as fast on Rig #1 using BOINC Manager, than it would take to complete it on UD Manager, then it is only fair that you should be awarded twice as many points, as you have done twice as much work in the same 8 hours

Let's say:
You go out and purchase a Mini at a cost of £10,000 and it's maximum speed is 100 mph
Or
You go out and purchase a Jaguar at a cost of £30,000 and it's maximum speed is 150 mph

Someone then puts a speed govenor on the Jaguar limiting its speed to 100 mph
What is the point of spending £30,000 an a Jaguar to only have someone limit it's performance

BOINC rewards your full performance, UD only rewards your partial performance
This is a level playing field Gentlemen
You have the choice, to enable you to overcome the limitations of performance capping
In my humble opinion everyone should switch over to BOINC for 2 reasons
1. Members using power house PC's will get higher rewards for their contribution to this effort
2. In a high degree of cases throughput of results will be increased substancially, allowing us to move onto another worthy project a lot sooner
I rest my case
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BOINC rewards your full performance, UD only rewards your partial performance
This is a level playing field Gentlemen
You have the choice, to enable you to overcome the limitations of performance capping
In my humble opinion everyone should switch over to BOINC for 2 reasons
1. Members using power house PC's will get higher rewards for their contribution to this effort
2. In a high degree of cases throughput of results will be increased substancially, allowing us to move onto another worthy project a lot sooner
I rest my case


Hope you dont mind me popping in here, smile

I have to agree with you there. I found a healthy increase in my results and points when i installed BOINC. (Athlon XP 3200 @2.36Ghz, 1GB RAM) I would not use the UD Agent again on this pc.

As Ady said earlier, 'time moves on, and we have to move with it.'

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Dave --

This was brought up in the Chat Room and knreed responded to it here where he says:
If you still feel that you are not earning your fair share of points using one agent or the other, then we encourage you to switch to the other agent. The scientific work being performed has the same value on either platform.


Which says to me that the admins believe, I expect justifiably so, that they have the coversion factor right. David's testing will simply optimize that factor for the specific type of CPU that he has. The conversion factor in use is optimized for all CPUs so it is high for some and low for others but accurate on the whole.
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Hope you dont mind me popping in here, smile

I have to agree with you there. I found a healthy increase in my results and points when i installed BOINC. (Athlon XP 3200 @2.36Ghz, 1GB RAM) I would not use the UD Agent again on this pc.

As Ady said earlier, 'time moves on, and we have to move with it.'

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Hi V_R

smile Feel free to pop in here anytime

TO ALL OUR BIGRIG MOT POWER CRUNCHERS
You have a great opportunity to improve your results and points output
to better reward you for your fantastic effort on behalf of MOT
Please visit Keithhenry's BOINC Thread on the Team Forum for easy instructions on how to switch over
Please Click this link To Visit Our Team Forum

smile Another steady days crunching Guys
For those of you who have installed BOINC
We should see a marked improvement in points and results as soon as some of your BOINC Work Units start getting validated

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smile Onward and upward chaps, we need to pull out all the stops!
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hey Graham you know better than this

Results for Rig #1
Points on UD Manager = 320 points 1 WU Returned
Points on BOINC Manager = 640 points 2 WU's returned

We started this conversation 14 months ago

They are non-deterministic......... biggrin

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All BOINC'ed up at this end I was making 3,900 points a day or thereabouts

No hardware added or changed so no more crunching going on apart from about an extra 30 Mins a day in total across all 6 machines as UD did it's uploading downloading thing so there should be about 1/3 of 1% improvement in my score

Let's see how accurate this conversion factor is wink
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hey Graham you know better than this

Results for Rig #1
Points on UD Manager = 320 points 1 WU Returned
Points on BOINC Manager = 640 points 2 WU's returned

We started this conversation 14 months ago

They are non-deterministic......... biggrin

LOL


Hi David

AMD Athlon 64 3400+
1.5 Gig Ram
2 Meg ADSL Connection
10 Gig HD Spece Allocated

Results of profile for the above PC before switching to BOINC
98 Days 13 hrs = 2365 hours
Points generated = 94384
94384 points divided by 2365 hours = 39.91 points per hour

Non deterministic or not, This device has still averaged almost 40 points per hour under UD Manager
8 hours x 39.91 = 319.28 points
I don't think it is worth splitting hairs over three quarters of a point, do you?

So my figures were, for all intents and purposes close enough

I am sure that if this topic requires further discussion, it might be more appropriate to continue it in a more appropriate thread

After all, this our recruiting thread and not a BOINC vs UD merits thread

I would be more than happy to continue the discussion HERE

Thank you in advance for you understanding Gentlemen
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All BOINC'ed up at this end I was making 3,900 points a day or thereabouts

No hardware added or changed so no more crunching going on apart from about an extra 30 Mins a day in total across all 6 machines as UD did it's uploading downloading thing so there should be about 1/3 of 1% improvement in my score

Let's see how accurate this conversion factor is wink

The problem is David - this will not be an accurate assesment.

As has been explained many times now, you are not comparing like with like - just because you get more points with boinc than UD on your particular spec machine doesn't mean everyone will.
Some folks will get less and some the same, and some more depending on their machine specs- hence it is an average that is taken of them all that works out the conversion factor.

The problem is that the UD agent benchmarking system is now outdated and fails to properly credit higher performing CPUs which were probably never envisaged when it was created - the reference machine used is a 1.5Ghz Pentium 4 with 384MB RAM and 5 GB HDD!! - it in effect penalises users of CPU's once they go past the maximum benchmark.

All Boinc does is properly credit the higher performing CPU's, which is quite correct in my opinion.

What needs to happen is either the UD Agent gets updated to allow higher benchmarking, or scrap it and everyone go over to Boinc.

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Sorry Graham - I posted this before I read your last post blushing

However, I hope my humble opinion is given consideration.

Ady smile
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