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Former Member
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Points are based upon time the application is running, which is not necessarily the same as CPU time, and your overall score - processor, memory etc. If your results returned is going up significantly that would indicate more processor time available to the agent. I would expect your run time to stay the same. If your points received are down then it may be that when the agent is returning work to the server something else is takikng the CPU and reducing your score; but this doesn't tie in with getting more results.
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Can you give me your Device ID number from the preferences window of the agent in question? Also, the program might be crashing repeatedly for some reason. I'll be able to tell better once I know which device you are talking about. Thanks. Device ID: 221833 I've recieved messages on other PCs on my team (all of which I manage/maintain, oh, except one) that something is causing them to crash repeatedly, but never on this PC. I've been running, the last few days, on full "normal" mode. Please let me know if you want me to run an evening in the "ICQ preventing shutdown" mode. I'm out of town this weekend (Go Flames!!), so maybe I'll try it then...? Thanx for the help! Hope it's not too much of a pain in the a,.. butt! (better read up on the rules for in here!! ;-) |
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Alther
Former World Community Grid Tech United States of America Joined: Sep 30, 2004 Post Count: 414 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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What I don't like, and what I don't understand, is why my runtime and points get down so low!! I averaged only 26.35 points per result returned last Sunday!!! and under 57 on Sat! I read how the points are and runtimes are calculated, and, unless I'm mis-understanding something, it's impossible for it to change that much!! As far as I understand, my runtime should be thought the roof! And my average points per result returned should stay about the same as when my PC runs in "regular" mode. The reason you are confused is because you are trying to make a statistical correlation that doesn't exist. You can't compare points per result. Every WU takes a different amount of time to compute (for both HPF and FAAH). 1 WU may take 2 hours, the next 10. If you completed 5 2hr. WUs and 1 10hr. WU, you should be awarded roughly the same amount of points (assuming your device score is relatively stable). Your best bet is to compare points per hour, but even that can be erroneous because benchmark scores can vary (even greatly). However, on average, points per hour is probably your best yardstick. Regarding ICQ preventing shutdown, assuming you indeed are getting a little more throughput from your machine, it won't be much because under normal conditoin, the grid app will get between 95% - 99% of the CPU anyway. So, at best you'd get just a litte more throughput, but it would be almost undetectable because of other variants. If you are getting significantly more throughput it's because you normally have something running that is taking up a noticable amount of CPU time, be it AV software, games, spy/adware, a CPU intensive flash/java plugin in a web browser, etc. When Windows shuts down, it closes all other apps, so it's possible that you are getting more throughput because this task has been shut down.
Rick Alther
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm assuming that you, Alther, didn't read the whole thread...
It's not a couple isolated examples over a short period of time,... it's consistant and predictable. "The reason you're confused..." ...yeah, thanx. Explain this to me... WCG is using an average of 97%, (except for about 40 min when the server pushes my virus scan). On an average day I'll return just under 10 results (with a couple other PCs contributing a few to put me, on average, a couple/few over 10). When I use my special "ICQ blocking shutdown" mode, I average over 25 returned results per day, somtimes over 30. So I can triple my results returned with an extra 4-8% (I know it says many applications are using 0%, but that's just rounded) that other applications might be using that get axed by my special configuration? Please read the whole thread before offering some of your special advice on how you think things might be working,... it's getting to be time consuming. (sorry about the bad attitude this morning,... things suck at work. )-: |
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Alther
Former World Community Grid Tech United States of America Joined: Sep 30, 2004 Post Count: 414 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Of course I read the whole thread. As I'll restate - the number of results is meaningless since the amount of time each takes is variable. Some take just a few hours and others will take many hours (or even a couple of days). Neither project has workunits that take a predictable amount of time.
----------------------------------------What you want to check is points/hour. Points is the most consistent way of checking your throughput.
Rick Alther
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Rick and Waynedal --
----------------------------------------I have read this thread and have been following it with some interest. I think that Viktors may have been on the right track in his post earlier when he asked for the Device ID (Device ID: 221833). My guess is that during the "special ICQ blocking shutdown" work units are somehow crashing -- perhaps the code is calling normally resident system code that has been eliminated during the shutdown process. It makes absolutely no sense that anything would raise the average number of work units completed during a day by a factor of 2 1/2 to 3. Would a review of the records for that specific device be able to confirm my suspicions? By the way Waynedal -- please be aware that some very highly skilled people are trying to assist you in resolving this matter and they are deserving of a bit more respect than you showed in your last post. Best regards, [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 19, 2006 8:02:51 PM] |
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Former Member
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Getting huffy, aren't we? For the first time, Wayndal gave us the figures for Processor Utilization that I asked for days ago. Next thing is to check on his returned results using the Device ID. We'll just work down the check list until we understand what is going on. mycrofth |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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First, sorry 'bout this morning. I was checking this stuff out to realx a bit after a downward spiral between my truck and my desk of bad news and worse news.
I shouldn't take it out here. Sorry. Plus, not that it's an excuse, but I've never been part of such a board that is so respectful and sensitive,... it's taking a lot of getting used to. I'll try to cut the sarcasm out. Sorry again. I DO appriciate you guys trying to figure this out.Now, to continute on... The reason I didn't post my processor usage before was that there was an application using an abnormal amount. It's only for a short peroid of time, but by the time it was done, I was back to work and forgot all about it. I usually remember stuff like that when I'm in the shower at home,... can't do anything about it from there. Also, if there's any info you guys need, please just ask. If it doesn't show up, ask again, maybe more clearly. I don't really know who anyone is, so if you just suggest something in passing there is a chance I might think you're one of these guys that just suggests stuff on every subject, even if you have no idea what's going on. So if you think somone's suggestion is a good one and is being ignored, please support the idea in your post so I can get all the good info up ASAP. Lastly, I'll be leaving town for the weekend (Fri around noon PST (-8 GMT) until Monday 8am (same time zone)). If a couple of you want to decide if you want me to run during that time in "normal" mode or "ICQ blocking shutdown" mode I'll be sure to set it up before I go and you'll have 50+ (or so) hours of no interference from users to study whatever side you'd like to look at. Thanx guys (& girls??)!! ![]() |
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have looked up results for the device in question. The last couple of days it looks like it has been working ok. However there are periods of time where for some days the agent is reporting that the application had crashed. This seemed to happen roughly once an hour. This is most likely because when a crashed result is returned, the agent is told to hold off for an hour. After that time period, it got another work unit and crashed. The most recent date for a lot of such crashes was 1-16-06. Such crashes would count as results, but generate few points.
So, the question is why is it crashing? The culprits that come to mind are: 1. VM overcommitment. If the sum of all applications consume more than the maximum virtual memory the system is configured for, the most recent application trying to get more memory crashes. There might be just too much going on in the machine or there might be some application with a memory leak. One can check this with the task manager. If it is simple overcimmitment, then increaseing the total VM max should fix it. If it is a memory leak, increasing the max will only delay the problem. 2. There might be some firewall software or other software trying to protect from stack overflows or other such things. Any of these kinds of packages might cause the agent grief by prohibiting it from proceeding. For example, the Windows DEP protection causes problems for the agent as does the McAfee overflow protection. There may be others. 3. It could be some sort of intermittent hardware problem. Memory, the CPU, disk drivers etc can be tested with various tools to see if they catch the problem. Sometimes the problem is too subtle for the test tools to catch. 4. Permissions to write to the World Community Grid install directory or its sub-directories might be lost or revoked, which would cause the agent to crash. 5. I am not familiar with the ICQ tool, but it might have the ability to cause the agent to crash for some reason. Perhaps it is killing the thread running the project before telling the UD program that the system is shutting down. Thus, UD thinks the program crashed rather than thinking it is a normal system shutdown. This is just a wild guess. At any rate, the last days after 1-16, the agent on this device looks like it has been running ok. |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ahhhhhhh!! I was looking for a smily with rays of hevenly light coming down as angel's played music and sang,... but there wasn't one.
OK. Now THAT makes sense. So this is pretty much cleared up. The reason I say "pretty much" is the following: #1. Small point, but if you want to mess around with ICQ it's just the instant messaging program that started the craze. It's now mostly junk msgs from advertisers and online hookers or whatever they call themselves.... nudie sites and the such. But feel free to check out the effects on your PC if you want. Mine jams when I have messages waiting to be read, choose to shut down, then don't tell the PC what to do (end now or cancel) when it encounters probs. ( http://www.icq.com/icq2go/ ) #2. Bigger point. On a date around ( I think ) Jan 1st, it looked as though th results returned spiked but so did my points and runtime. Does this mean that the results were completed, or that possibly the points were mis-calculated? Or some other reason? Not a big deal. Just the only thing that keeps your explination from completly answering everything. Thanx guys!! |
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