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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Thanx for trying to help,.. I'll get right to it!!
Basically, I found a way to get more results returned overnight while I'm not using my PC. But when I check my score(s) in the morning, I don't understand how it's possible to get way less points and run times scoring while doubling or tripling my results returned... same PC(s). More detail: I found out, accidentally, that if I shut my PC down with messages waiting for me on ICQ that it jams up XP and it can't shut down until I manually ask it to shut down ICQ. If I just leave it, the results returned are usually just over 2x what they would normally be in the same period. I assume XP shuts down or suspends activity on enough 'background' programs and processes that I get better performance, but I'm guessing. So when I cancel the shutdown request in the morning, I found that the results returned had really taken off (about 2x or more usual) yet my runtime and points don't always reflect this increase. It may be kind of early to ask these questions as I've only run a couple of nights like this. Also, the other PCs on my tally sheet are all pretty slow and old. One of only slightly below average performance, but nothing to effect my scores that drastically. I'm trying to find a way for you to see my charts,... but can't find one... )-: UN: wayndal Team: Galena & Co. Anyway, the 2 times I ran it like this, the first, all 3 charts spiked. The 2nd time, results returned spiked, the other 2 actually went DOWN below the AVERAGE!! This is what's confusing me!!?? Anyway, if you've got any ideas, please let me know! Thanx!! |
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Former Member
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Wayndal --
I wonder if you aren't really causing spyware running on your system to terminate which gave you the boost in performance. The inconsistancy is more likely the result of what all got terminated before the system decided it needed intervention to terminate ICQ. There are several utilities available to address any spyware issue on your system listed in the FAQ forum thread here. |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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ahhhh,... shiznap! First, I was all excitied to see a reply, only to find out it was a comment about possible spy-ware,...
Then, as I go to type the reply my keyboard tray drops a few important looking parts to the floor... )-: Anyway, thanx for the suggestion, but, no, I scan pretty regularly (with updated files) for spy-ware. I've usually got a couple bugs, but it's a pretty clean system. Where's all these hard-core PC geeks that like to figure out this kind of stuff??!! Here's some more stats in case you guys can't ever see my charts: Average Results Returned (normal "rest"): 10 Average Results Returned (ICQ msgs preventing shutdown): 22 Average Runtime (normal "rest"): 82 Average Runtime (ICQ msgs preventing shutdown): 77 Average Points (normal "rest"): 2000 Average Points (ICQ msgs preventing shutdown): 1800 As another note, these increase are with WCG working "normaly for about 11 hours/day while I'm @ work and 13 hours/day in the "ICQ freeze up" mode. I'll test it out over the weekend to get a couple of good days without "user interference" from me. (-: I look forward to reading some ideas on Monday!! - Thanx folks! |
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Former Member
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Hello wayndal,
I can think of only 2 ways to speed up the WCG application. First, by increasing the CPU utilization shown on Task Manager by shutting down some resident process. Second, by interfering with system slowdowns mandated by overheating. This latter is very dangerous and can damage your system or cause intermittent errors, crashing programs. A yhird possibility is just statistically unlikely luck with work units, misleading you into assuming cause and effect. Better check it out this weekend. It's raining here, but the temperature is comfortable. mycrofth |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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- UPDATE -
So,.. over the weekend, it was left in this "ICQ blocking shutdown" mode from Friday night to Monday morning. Please compare the following numbers to the averages mentioned in my last post. (Notice points per result are super low!) Returned Results for weekend (Sat, Sun): 32, 28 Points Returned for weekend (Sat, Sun): 1822, 738 Run Time for weekend (Sat, Sun): 0:003:12:32:32, 0:001:12:45:34 Maybe tonight I'll let it run in "normal mode and post the results tomorrow for a more direct comparison. Also, while I'm here, in response to mycrofth theories, I can tell you that #2 and #3 are for sure wrong. Too many jobs to all be easy. It's set to accept both, so, as I'm sure you've all noticed, maybe 1 in 10 is the old type, 9 of 10 the "AIDS" one. And the ol' girl's as cool as a cuke this morning... If anyone wants to see my full stats in detail, I can email them to you! Just let me know! Any other ideas? Thanx for you continued help!! (-: |
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Former Member
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Hi wayndal,
It sounds as though you are running ICQ. I only tried it for a short time years ago, so I do not know how much processor time it takes up. If you right-click at the bottom of the screen and select 'Task Manager', what does it show on a machine running ICQ? The WCG application should be using 97% - 99% of your CPU. If it is much less, then the assumption is that some other process, such as ICQ, is running in the background. |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hmmm,... I'm not sure what that last post was suppose to inform me of...??
Yes, I run ICQ. When it's in a certain configuration it'll keep XP from shutting down and there starts my WCG anomaly. I don't really care why it happens, it's awesome, I get big ol' returns on the results. What I don't like, and what I don't understand, is why my runtime and points get down so low!! I averaged only 26.35 points per result returned last Sunday!!! and under 57 on Sat! I read how the points are and runtimes are calculated, and, unless I'm mis-understanding something, it's impossible for it to change that much!! As far as I understand, my runtime should be thought the roof! And my average points per result returned should stay about the same as when my PC runs in "regular" mode. |
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Former Member
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Hi wayndal,
Task Manager is the Windows program that tells you what is running on your computer and what percentage of the CPU time is spent on each program. The WCG program is set to run whenever your CPU is idle. If another program is running in the background, the WCG application will wait till it is through. It sounds as though some program is normally running on your computer (perhaps ICQ) and has been taking more of your CPU time than you have been aware of. Here is the Microsoft page on Task Manager: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentat...askman_whats_there_w.mspx Right-click at the bottom of your screen and you can select 'Task Manager' mycrofth |
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wayndal
Cruncher Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Yes, I know what the task manager is. And, yes, I understand that the reason I get so many more returned results when I get it to stick in my little "ICQ blocking shutdown" mode is because other applications that run in the background are probably getting shut down. I get all that. 1) The only thing running with any %age of CPU usage is "Rtvscan.exe", which I haven't had a chance to check up on yet,... but no biggie. 2) The jump in results returned is pretty big,... just around 3x. That's more than one or even 2 background programs that steal a few %age of CPU usage. 3) My biggest question, is how my RUNTIME and POINTS can be 1/2 or 1/3 of "normal" when I'm returning almost 3x the results! And I don't mean I'm getting 1/3 the points per result,... I'm returning 3x the results and my daily points are, say, 1/2 of what they are in "normal" mode (with 2/3 less returned results!!) I don't know if I'm not explaining it right or what... I could see a few less points per returned result,... but less than 26.5 points per result!!! I've snooped around and haven't found ANYTHING even close to that low! Most people are around 200 points per result returned! And how can my runtime be LESS!! Isn't it based against a "standard" CPU speed which would equal 24 hrs/day of runtime. If I've got 2x that, shouldn't I be getting around 2 days worth/24 hours??!?! And I'm obviously getting more than that! I'm returning over 30 results! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! (Thanx for trying though!! Keep it up! Sooner or later we'll figure each other out!! ;-) |
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I don't know if I'm not explaining it right or what... I could see a few less points per returned result,... but less than 26.5 points per result!!! I've snooped around and haven't found ANYTHING even close to that low! Most people are around 200 points per result returned! And how can my runtime be LESS!! Isn't it based against a "standard" CPU speed which would equal 24 hrs/day of runtime. If I've got 2x that, shouldn't I be getting around 2 days worth/24 hours??!?! And I'm obviously getting more than that! I'm returning over 30 results! Can you give me your Device ID number from the preferences window of the agent in question? Also, the program might be crashing repeatedly for some reason. I'll be able to tell better once I know which device you are talking about. Thanks. |
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