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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

Except that you have to use UDMon to download multiple work units but you can do this simply by setting your preferences in BOINC.


I don't see anything like that in my device preferences for BOINC. Where is that for BOINC?
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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

From thye Unofficial Wiki at http://boinc-doc.net/boinc-wiki/index.php?title=Work_Buffer :
The size of the Work Buffer is set in the General Preferences as the setting "Connect to network about every 'x' days".

This setting is the control for telling the BOINC Manager how much information should be kept within the Work Buffer.


If you change the connection time from 0.1 days to 1 day, instead of drawing one (approximately 9-hour) work unit, BOINC will draw 3. Please be cautious about drawing more than 2 days of work units, since this can cause some delay in completing quorums. Particularly since some work units are unpredictably surprisingly long.

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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

Thanks! applause I'll try that and see how the behavior changes. I knew that ID had limits on both run time and clock time and presumed the "Report Deadline" date in BOINC was the same sort of thing. Could you expand on the quorum point? It almost sounds like even if I have BOINC only pull one wu at a time, I could delay the quorum if I went several days without BOINC running.
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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

Hello keithhenry,
Yes, when you get a work unit, at least 3 other people are assigned the same work unit. People are awarded points for a result returned when at least 3 other people return an identical result for that work unit. If somebody is late, people have to wait until a quorum of 4 identical results is achieved before they are awarded points for a valid result. Which is why people who draw work units many days in advance are sometimes called 'hogs'.

Here is the description of the quorum of 4 method: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=linpointscalc

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Thanks mycrofth! I suspect that there are a lot of factors that could delays in getting a quorum. I know with the UD agent, you could crunch only when it was running as a screensaver. Not sure about doing that with BOINC as I've always run whenever my machine was powered up. But it would seem that it could be days, even a week before you get a result back from a user.

From my perspective, I want to have enough WU on hand to crunch for two days as that seems to be the longest that that's been in terms of a server outage, inability to connect to the server or my DSL connection being down (I guess I could connect over dial up on those rare occasions). I like how this is more of a "set and forget" thing in that you simply set the value in your device profile and BOINC keeps enough work on hand to cover that amount of time.

It does seem that BOINC determines if you have enough WU based on the values in the "To completion" column. That's a reasonable estimate but appears to usually be an upper bound if it's off, so a day's worth of work may actually be more than you'll get with a value of 1 in the device profile. Of course, you also need to account for whether or not you normally have BOINC running all day too. Also, the "To completion" values for all "ready to run" WUs seem to alway be the same value. That is, it seems that the first one pick up the value of the running WU or the WU listed above it (not sure which) and then additional WUs downloaded in advance seem to pick up that value from the last WU listed. It seems if you go from a long running WU to several short ones, you could have less work than you want.

Still, I'm quite happy with this. I should pretty much be able to avoid any crunching downtime (as long as it's not my 'puter). I can easily eyeball things on occasion in case I run into a good string of long running WUs or very short running WU's and temporarily adjust the value in my device profile so as to avoid any impact to WCG or other crunchers.
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I've switched to Boinc because I was fed up with UD/WCG Agent:

1. The most important - Sometimes (but rather rarely) I'am run out of electricity - my PC switches off suddenly - and all work made by WCG Agent is lost (once it was 92% - I was very angry)

2. Second reason is that sometimes I press reset button instead of power button (when I am in hurry blushing )- effect is the same - all work is lost.

Boinc client saves it's work after sudden switching off- my computer's work survives.

I thought about it - if about 100 peoples a day have problems with electricity or reset button you can count how many computing time is lost.
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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

I've switched to Boinc because I was fed up with UD/WCG Agent:

1. The most important - Sometimes (but rather rarely) I'am run out of electricity - my PC switches off suddenly - and all work made by WCG Agent is lost (once it was 92% - I was very angry)

2. Second reason is that sometimes I press reset button instead of power button (when I am in hurry blushing )- effect is the same - all work is lost.

Boinc client saves it's work after sudden switching off- my computer's work survives.

I thought about it - if about 100 peoples a day have problems with electricity or reset button you can count how many computing time is lost.

This is false. The UD agent checkpoints and saves completed work just as the BOINC agent does, since it's the application that determines when to checkpoint. Except for specific API hooks for each agent, the application code is identical.

It's possible that the checkpoint/work files could have been corrupted during a sudden power loss, but this could occur with any application that has open files, including BOINC.
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Re: Should we be moving to the BOINC agent?

I use both BOINC and the default client, for my Athlon 64 X2 I use BOINC to make use of the dual cores, the 32-bit windows computer is slower with BOINC so I use the default client. each provide reasons for using it's client.

I say try both clients, and see what works best.
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