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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Make it available in iOS devices? That would be a good idea, however I think the problem was that there is a legal issue. I think Apple did not want to include BOINC because of the fact that it downloads workunits through that app. I am sure someone with more knowledge can correct me, however I think this would be a very long road for apple to allow boinc to work on their phones. actually, YES...& NO! Apple didn't want BOINC 'cause it downloads apps (executable files) every time there's a new version on server which is not Apple-store. They don't have any problems with WUs, as it's only a data file! So, have been giving ideas to SETi@home team (as well as here to WCG, search it up a little) & some guys from SETi@home have been doing on making a fixed BOINC+science app & putting it in an Apple-store. In other words, every time a new science app develops for Apple iPhone it will update the BOINC+science together. That will make a little more of a traffic, but it's the only way that legally it would work with Apple legal terms! (Not mentioning that that BOINC & app mustn't be OpenSource!) When it will be finished? Don't know. If someone wants to know, there's a talk on GitHub about it with SETi@home main programmer from beginning of the year (late winter, beginning of spring). If it gets developed, it would show that it's possible to make it. But WCG will then have to make sthg similar with WCG BOINC+science (from here) for iPhone's & iPad's. It's a lot of work, but there's also a lot of iPhone's out there... Hope this info helps! ![]() |
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vlado101
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jul 23, 2013 Post Count: 226 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks KLiK, the restriction on apple phones is what makes me resistant on getting an iphone or apply products (tablets and mobile devices).
----------------------------------------I wish it would be different because I can just imagine how many more people would join. BOINC is available for Windows, Linux, android, and for the desktop version of macs. Hopefully they will resolve it, but if the boinc and science app needs to be updated I don't see it being adopted. The WCG staff here is already busy on other things and adding more items to their work queue would probably just be put on a list to be developed in the future. ![]() |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks KLiK, the restriction on apple phones is what makes me resistant on getting an iphone or apply products (tablets and mobile devices). I wish it would be different because I can just imagine how many more people would join. BOINC is available for Windows, Linux, android, and for the desktop version of macs. Hopefully they will resolve it, but if the boinc and science app needs to be updated I don't see it being adopted. The WCG staff here is already busy on other things and adding more items to their work queue would probably just be put on a list to be developed in the future. Those restriction are exactly the main reason, why I use Apple products. Especially the iPhone! Staying more secure it today privilege some OSes can't offer! & about resolving an issue - you got it all wrong. Apple has Linux version of iOS for OS, it has a platform for distributing software over Apple Store & it has a written rules how to do it. So it's not on Apple to adapt to OpenSource platform - 'cause they won't! It's on BOINC community to adapt to Apple rules for apps & to publish that app in Apple Store! ![]() |
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Composer
Cruncher Joined: May 28, 2014 Post Count: 29 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I like the idea of getting several big companies on board. I have recommended to my dad who has a small business that he run BOINC/WCG on their computers, and he is hesitant to do so because he is worried that it will interfere with the machines in some way. He can't give any particular objections, just that he feels like it is something that is not understood and is risky. If big, well known corporations were to use and publicly endorse BOINC and WCG, I think that a lot of people of a similar attitude could be swayed to participate.
I feel like the more publicity WCG and BOINC get, the better. If it got to a point where a large majority of the everyday population knew about this, than companies would have some incentive to participate. Donating computer time for humanitarian efforts looks good to the public, and so donating computer time is worthwhile for companies because they are essentially trading a relatively small amount of electricity for positive public image. In the same way that companies can say "Proud to support <insert local children's cancer hospital here>" or other things like that, they could say things like "Proud to support WCG" or "We have donated X days/years of computing time to WCG" and people would look at that and see the company in a positive light. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I like the idea of getting several big companies on board. I have recommended to my dad who has a small business that he run BOINC/WCG on their computers, and he is hesitant to do so because he is worried that it will interfere with the machines in some way. He can't give any particular objections, just that he feels like it is something that is not understood and is risky. If big, well known corporations were to use and publicly endorse BOINC and WCG, I think that a lot of people of a similar attitude could be swayed to participate. I feel like the more publicity WCG and BOINC get, the better. If it got to a point where a large majority of the everyday population knew about this, than companies would have some incentive to participate. Donating computer time for humanitarian efforts looks good to the public, and so donating computer time is worthwhile for companies because they are essentially trading a relatively small amount of electricity for positive public image. In the same way that companies can say "Proud to support <insert local children's cancer hospital here>" or other things like that, they could say things like "Proud to support WCG" or "We have donated X days/years of computing time to WCG" and people would look at that and see the company in a positive light. Well, your dad's right...& wrong at the same time! Why? Electron mitigation is something that has been observed, so computers do get slower by the time as they work...but they work all the time anyway! Some overheating in some places can be regulated with tools like Tthrottle or similar...making it easier to adjust the temp for a level you need! 'cause BOINC throttling is a "dinosaur management of computer temp. & resources" (from what I can tell)! Security is an issue, but not with WCG BOINC & not attaching some non-public, unknown projects to that firms account! All these questions have to be answered, before any decision can be made...so he's right to have questions, but he's also wrong if he doesn't let WCG a chance... ![]() |
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Chuck Noland
Cruncher Joined: Mar 8, 2011 Post Count: 3 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hello all, the average potential home user dont wanna to make effort to run WCG, BOINC or whatever... its why by default Folding@home is using account Anonymous, Team 0.
Ideally is to create a BOINC WCG edition, so you download click installl and it run by default at something like 50% cpu usage on a idling computer. Step 1 dowlnoad. Step 2 to FAST Install. Step 3 Chill. |
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enels
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2008 Post Count: 286 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I like your idea Francois N. and the other ideas here. The WCG has a new simplified install although I have not tried it.
I think retention is also a big problem. I looked a couple years ago and concluded a lot of people only contributed for a month or so. I think this may be for several reasons: - Electicity bill after starting crunching. - Fan noise. - Heat. Although it is more a BOINC suggestion than for the WCG. Maybe a dial or slider in simple view connected to CPU usage would let contributors control cost, noise and heat. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I like your idea Francois N. and the other ideas here. The WCG has a new simplified install although I have not tried it. I think retention is also a big problem. I looked a couple years ago and concluded a lot of people only contributed for a month or so. I think this may be for several reasons: - Electicity bill after starting crunching. - Fan noise. - Heat. Although it is more a BOINC suggestion than for the WCG. Maybe a dial or slider in simple view connected to CPU usage would let contributors control cost, noise and heat. I concur about the problems...as: - modern CPUs are Eco-friendly, so they turn down the power consumption with less Hz to consume less...so to turn them fully ON, means to have a lot of heat build-up! - fan noise is always an issue, as the modern MBO use the controlled fan RPMs to reduce the noise levels... - BOINC lack of temp. cooling, aside from primitive "CPU time", has not being helpful...so the use of extra program to regulate BOINC (like Tthrottle) is also, too big issue, for someone to use it easily! So those are the questions that BOINC has to deal in the future, to become a more user-friendly program! Recently I've also made a Silver badge for recruiting people...how did I do it? Well, with some money I've organized a giveaway over $250+ worth of games, with a links to my Facebook non-profit organization which reports more & more news from WCG...& on that way I was able to recruit 7 new members, while the rest of them (20+) just made a username here! I'm going to continue doing that, so next year I plant to give out more than $500 games from non-profit organization & to reach a Gold in recruiting (at least)! So, as you see...we got the recruitment well, but now the BOINC is the problem...make it more user-friendly & it will work out! ![]() |
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Composer
Cruncher Joined: May 28, 2014 Post Count: 29 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I like your idea Francois N. and the other ideas here. The WCG has a new simplified install although I have not tried it. I think retention is also a big problem. I looked a couple years ago and concluded a lot of people only contributed for a month or so. I think this may be for several reasons: - Electicity bill after starting crunching. - Fan noise. - Heat. Although it is more a BOINC suggestion than for the WCG. Maybe a dial or slider in simple view connected to CPU usage would let contributors control cost, noise and heat. The other thing is that people may simply lose interest. I will admit that I have had some fluctuation in my own interest in WCG, especially with the CEP2 blackout. I'm not sure how you keep people involved, but if we could think of a way, it might be worth pursuing. If we can figure out why people are losing interest, it could help us find out how to get better retention. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Just speaking for myself, I've considered moving to other BOINC projects several times mainly due to the lack of information and the WCG's staff insistence on running this like a black ops program. The information I'm seeking and would make the project more interesting for me is the batches in each sub project and list them as they become available. Some research teams do that but they are not updated consistently which makes them useless for maintaining interest. I use the information for goal setting. The badges are one part of that but, as others have mentioned, sometimes it takes quite awhile to reach the next badge. In between badges, I follow along with the batch lists checking them off as they are completed and building my own stats such as batches per day etc. I've been following along with the ZIKA batches but they aren't up-to-date and by the time they are added to the website we are already well into the group of batches. I also don't understand the historic secrecy around new projects in the works and when they may start. It seems that the WCG staff believes that if they announce a start date and miss that date it would be a catastrophic event. I think that members knowing that new projects are being worked on and what kind they might be would add to the interest. Why not list them and the status they are in like, "under review", "development", "alpha testing", "beta testing" etc. I think it goes without saying that some projects might not make it through review or development or even testing. That happens, so what? I know it would mean keeping the website updated but isn't that what Caitlin and Erika do in addition to moderation? The more information provided allows each member to use the part that interests them to help keep them engaged. This has been asked for before in many different ways by other members over the years. One of the biggest rules in retail is to listen to your customers and give them what they want so they will continue to come back. IF you don't. they will go elsewhere.
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