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new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

It has been a while since I posted so I may be a little awkward at this and I hope this is the right forum to post this problem.

I replaced an i5 4670k with an i7 4790k in a z87x motherboard. I started out fighting higher temps and seem to have that under control(lowered cpuv).

My problem since upgrading is the i7 is running zika and hstb at a considerably slower rate. Zika wus would show a run time at about 30 minutes and usually finish 15-65 mins, now the wus show 55 min and some finish in about 60-75 min but mostly 3-4 hours.

HSTB is even worse. Now I have eight wus that have been 8-9 hours (54 - 61 % complete) and still show 2+ hours to finish. I have never had runs this long with the i5.

I have produced the first invalid result in a long while having this problem.

I have not, nor am I overclocking.
I have tried turning turbo off to see if that would make any difference, no change.
I lowered the cpuv to compensate for temps, but I have used default cpuv and there is no difference in performance.
I have searched these forums and have found no info that would help me in this situation.

The motherboard is a ga-z87x-deh and the bios is updated to the last one, I hope it has addressed any i7 problems.

Did I make a mistake by upgrading this way or is there something I should do that will help this matter?

Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

What's a prog like core-temp telling about the CPU cycles?

Assumption as no OS is mentioned: In W7 and W10 set the power option to maximum/high performance, then under ''change plan settings'' > change advanced power settings > processor power management > Maximum power state Plugged In 100%. This gives me a continuous 3.7Ghz on the I7-4770K, default rated 3.4Ghz. The temp on air is about 75C... to which I have no problem. This lets the HST Type 350-400 run in about 13 hours, the T000/001 in 2.5 to 3.5 hours. No current zika data.

Was the I5 set to not run hyperthreaded and the I7 maybe is using this CPU function... virtual doubling of core threads? (you get longer runtimes, but still more work done... 15-30%)
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

Sorry, I tried to supply as much info I could think of.

The os is Linux Mint 17.3. I make changes to the cpu settings in the bios, there is no way to do this in the os.

I use psensor for the temps and system monitor for % of cpu usage. My temps now are between 48 and 55c. I don't like to be too close to the limit.

The i5 has no hyperthreading, however I am running it with the i7. I wanted to increase the number of threads without adding a whole new system.

I thought there would be a bit of a slow down with the hyperthreading, but not this much. So this is what I can expect? I was hoping the difference in cpu speed would make up for most(?) the hyperthreading loss, however I guess the turbo was working in the i5 which would put it closer to the i7 base speed. The i5 3.4gh, turbo 3.7gh and the i7 4.0gh, turbo 4.1 - 4.4gh. I didn't think the turbo was working in the i5 for some reason which I don't remember now (what was I thinking?), so this means very little difference in the speeds between the two cpus.

Maybe I will look at a little overclocking to compensate for the longer run times, I don't think I will be able to do much with it though.

Still cheaper electrically speaking than a second system, power consumption was increased by only about 20 - 30w.

I think I will have to get a little more acquainted with the temp limits. I may see where I have a little more overhead than I originally thought.

So you run yours at 75c, how long have you done this? Have you had any problems at this temp?

Thanks for replying.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

If you have heat issues, probably best to add an aftermarket cooler and/or add case fans for extra heat dissipation.

I would also try disabling the HT on the i7 and see if the times are more in line with the previous i5 although as Rob pointed out, the HT *should* slightly increase your work completed.

The only other thing I can think of would be to check your BIOS firmware. Those two processors were released a year from each other, so if your motherboard was not optimized to run that i7 processor when it was released, there may have been a BIOS flash later on to help fix any issues.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

If you have lovered Vcore and you even had an error result, that means the cpu could be unstable. Lowering the voltage is the same as overclocking: it nay lead to instability.

You may have to lower the clock speed to match the voltage.

I had issues with my 4790k, excessive heat and terrible efficiency. I solved it by setting a fixed speed of 3GHz and no turbo. I lowered the voltage to the lowest stable V. Efficiency went up by 75% while power consumption was halved.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

I run the I7 4790k on an asus Z97 motherboard and there was a bios download just for the devils canyon cpu's.
I use water cooling so temperature values may not be helpful but I run at 4.2ghz@100% on zika and stay below 50c .On Hstb for some reason a slightly lower temp.
And on Hstb to work out run time use the progress % and elapsed time and ignore remaining time it means nothing.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

Sorry, I tried to supply as much info I could think of.

The os is Linux Mint 17.3. I make changes to the cpu settings in the bios, there is no way to do this in the os.

I use psensor for the temps and system monitor for % of cpu usage. My temps now are between 48 and 55c. I don't like to be too close to the limit.

The i5 has no hyperthreading, however I am running it with the i7. I wanted to increase the number of threads without adding a whole new system.

I thought there would be a bit of a slow down with the hyperthreading, but not this much. So this is what I can expect? I was hoping the difference in cpu speed would make up for most(?) the hyperthreading loss, however I guess the turbo was working in the i5 which would put it closer to the i7 base speed. The i5 3.4gh, turbo 3.7gh and the i7 4.0gh, turbo 4.1 - 4.4gh. I didn't think the turbo was working in the i5 for some reason which I don't remember now (what was I thinking?), so this means very little difference in the speeds between the two cpus.

Maybe I will look at a little overclocking to compensate for the longer run times, I don't think I will be able to do much with it though.

Still cheaper electrically speaking than a second system, power consumption was increased by only about 20 - 30w.

I think I will have to get a little more acquainted with the temp limits. I may see where I have a little more overhead than I originally thought.

So you run yours at 75c, how long have you done this? Have you had any problems at this temp?

Thanks for replying.

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Well, seems like the task is complete...you're doing more cores (double) & HT...so doing more jobs in the same amount of time!
It will give you the badges you deserve...so from only that, I'd sleep like a baby! ;)

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getting 20-30W increase, for a double amount of work...or even quadruple, with HT! that's great!!!

relax...WCG is benefiting...that what you seem to return less, by making more time on single WUs...it's a WCG thing, how it valuates a donation! just relax, 'cause you're giving more by WCG standard...not maybe by RAC, not maybe by time per WU...but certainly about amount of time!
just relax...keep your computer powered on...& sleep like a baby!
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

It has been a while since I overclocked and had deal with heat issues. I have a Zalman 9900 for the cooler so I have addressed the cooler situation.

I was a little disappointed with results I have seen with this cpu compared to the old cpu. I didn't want to overclock but it seems like a resolution I won't be able to avoid.

I have the last bios version which dealt with the i7s.


Thanks for your reply.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

The error result happened when the voltage and speed settings were default. I can't say what brought about the error, maybe it would have happened anyway.

I will be trying different configurations to see what I get this thing to do. Your suggestion will definitely be on my list.

At this time the cpu is running 4.5gh / 1.2vcore with no turbo or hyperthreading. The results look pretty good except for the power consumption, it is about 40 to 50% higher.

I don't know how accurate the "Estimate" run times are for the wus but I am completing zika wus in about half of the time estimated. The down side to this is I will probably not use this configuration due power concerns.

Thanks for your reply.
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Re: new cpu runs zika/hstb slower than old cpu

I have been reading about tjmax and tcase temperatures for Intel cpus. I have change how I look at temps now. Before I always used AMD cpus and there was no complication about temps there. So I think I will be allowing higher temps for this cpu than I would if I were running an AMD. However, I still think if you can run a cpu cooler and get the same performance that is a good option.

Thanks for your reply.
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