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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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From my experience, after GPUs came affordable to be used in SETi@home...have rejoined there with only GPUs in Mar 2014! & been experimenting with some other projects like GPUgrid, Einstein@home, Asteroids@home & SETi@home BETA...
----------------------------------------Result on today: 5x GPUs got 4,48M BOINC points from Mar 2014! 10-20x CPUs (cores, but that only lately) got 10,3M BOINC points from Nov 2006! So, those are the facts...why GPUs are not being so advertised by WCG staff on beginning of the project...it's unknown to me! 'cause if it was more advertised, maybe we might have some project on GPUs also...or only GPU?! ;) ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by KLiK at Aug 22, 2016 9:01:18 AM] |
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[AF>Libristes]Maeda
Cruncher Joined: Sep 1, 2011 Post Count: 43 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Maybe GPUs are not the good way for WCG WUs codes and results. If it is easy and always better than CPU, all projects would be on GPUs. I don't know the codes and effort involving to implement GPUs, but I'm sure it's radically different from CPUs.
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enels
Senior Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2008 Post Count: 286 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Correct. Some algorithms simply can not be adapted to GPUs, regardless of the effort. Some recipes can be sped up by adding lots more cooks, but most can't.
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xdarma
Cruncher Joined: Oct 4, 2014 Post Count: 5 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Gpus has also double precision. But, AFAIK, milkyway@home is the only project make use of it.
----------------------------------------nVidia sells powerful gpu on half and double precision only with Tesla product line. Powerful but expensive. Maybe a better deal for volunteers crunchers are amd/ati cards. Wikipedia says that a rx480 has 5161gflops (five thousand one hundred sixty-one) in half precision and 323gflops on double precision. A gtx1060 (6gb version) has 68gflops (yes, sixtyeight) in half precision and 137gflops on double precision. Most of the gpu projects use single pecision, so nVidia cards still very good. [Edit 2 times, last edit by xdarma at Sep 30, 2016 1:27:36 PM] |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
One of the WCG missives is to have projects accessible to as wide an audience as possible... so somethings that requires Tesla power simply is out of the question, too niche. One day, the tilt point will be reached where though "oh running in-house is cheaper/quicker/total homogeneity", and several have done that... pulled off the DC grid. After all, it's the results that count and science progress and today 2 years for a project is becoming too long with about 7.3 billion people needing to be fed, and kept free of disease, or we will have pandemics/epidemics in no time, as Zika is swiftly developing into with an ever more warming world.
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xdarma
Cruncher Joined: Oct 4, 2014 Post Count: 5 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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One of the WCG missives is to have projects accessible to as wide an audience as possible... so somethings that requires Tesla power simply is out of the question, too niche. I agree with you, but Tesla are powerful, and so projects ends quicker. But WCG / BOINC can broaden hardware support to increase the total computational power. Why not cruch gpu work with smartphone? Just for reference: Mali OpenCL SDK OpenCL support on recent Android smartphones Cheers. |
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[VENETO] boboviz
Senior Cruncher Joined: Aug 17, 2008 Post Count: 184 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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After all, it's the results that count and science progress and today 2 years for a project is becoming too long And this is, i think, the purpose of gpu: accelerate the research, reduce the time. Don't you remember the speed of HCC project with the "coming" of gpus?? Obviously, if this is possible. |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Given the 18-20x or so throughput that was achieved with HCC, how likely do you think WCG is going to spend time on BOINCefying a GPGPU project, be accessible to a subset of WCG members only and see it gone in no-time? (Rhetorical)
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Zinc, have you ever seen any results from them (F@h)? Have they ever published anything worth seeing? TIA, b. I'm not trying to start a debate between WCG and F@H, but yes they've published several interesting peer reviewed articles, a full list is on their page. https://folding.stanford.edu/home/papers/ I'm curious, what are results from WCG? I can't find a list on the website of published papers or results, just completed projects. I've dedicated a lot of CPU time to WCG so I'm wondering myself, not trying to start an argument. I've recently started with F@H because my GPU is not being used at all by WCG. I can't run GPUGRID because they don't support Pascal GPUs (I have GTX 1060), but F@H supports my card just fine. I've never folded with a GPU before, but wow... GPUs are much more powerful than CPUs at folding. My GTX 1060 gets 350k ppd while my overclocked i5 3570k gets about 20k. I really don't understand why WCG doesn't take advantage of GPUs more given how much more powerful they are. It's such a waste to not use the GPU, and I'd much rather use my GPU towards WCG because F@H has like 100x the computing power of WCG and clearly needs the help (no doubt this is partly due to GPU support...) |
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[AF>Libristes]Maeda
Cruncher Joined: Sep 1, 2011 Post Count: 43 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Indeed, I keep looking for a bio GPU app, gpugrid if I change my card, but there not much bio-based gpu app. If WCG have one (HCC was the first as I remember), it definitely will have more volunteers IMO.
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