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Crystal Pellet
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Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
When a task is super-seeding a 'certain' run time a standard credit of 122 is claimed.

E.g.: Win7 ..... cpu time 18.93 hours claim 599.3
same machine cpu time 19.07 hours claim 122.0

When the wingman is faster as my low claimed result, his granted credit is pulled down.
Example:
Valid 3/23/16 20:29:04 3/25/16 10:46:02 19.07 122.0 / 213.1 <- mine
Valid 3/23/16 20:28:50 3/26/16 03:14:56 09.86 304.2 / 213.1

On a Linux box the same is happening:
Valid 3/23/16 21:11:54 3/26/16 04:10:07 25.69 122.0 / 247.9 <- mine
Valid 3/23/16 21:11:02 3/25/16 15:21:52 26.14 373.8 / 247.9
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
Yes, see the limited availability thread... the TTC as issued by the server is a joke. 5:39 on the last received when average is 15:45.

fraction done exact parm works very well to get a correct time to completion projection at least... will help whence different sizes start arriving.

BTW, otherwise it looks like the ol 50/50 rule is applied and nothing at all has being learned from past mistakes... copy (do not rinse) / repeat
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SekeRob
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
... and since the project average / hour is within regular bounds, around 25.2/hr at this time, who cares about individual result credits [someone who comes part time from another project or only can do small contribution will]. But is there anything new under the sun in this department? At best you get a "we'll look into it" and the unsaid hopes it will be forgotten again.

So, can we plz agree ... a thorough waste of time and a point of permanent aggravation one can only deal with by pushing the ignore button smug
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
I am being hit by this on a slower PC, and the wingman is suffering too.

Result Name OS type OS version App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due /
Return Time CPU Time / Elapsed Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
HST1_ 000001_ 000030_ AC0002_ T300_ F00030_ S00001_ 3-- Linux 3.13.0-46-generic 714 Valid 23/03/16 19:51:02 24/03/16 15:55:43 18.12 536.0 / 329.0
HST1_ 000001_ 000030_ AC0002_ T300_ F00030_ S00001_ 2-- Linux 2.4.27-2-386 714 Error 23/03/16 19:47:30 23/03/16 19:49:41 0.00 122.0 / 0.0
HST1_ 000001_ 000030_ AC0002_ T300_ F00030_ S00001_ 0-- Linux 3.10.60-std441-amd64 - Detached 23/03/16 19:41:10 23/03/16 19:46:34 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
HST1_ 000001_ 000030_ AC0002_ T300_ F00030_ S00001_ 1-- Linux 3.19.0-25-generic 714 Valid 23/03/16 19:33:57 26/03/16 06:56:42 58.26 122.0 / 329.0

HST1_ 000015_ 001470_ AC0009_ T300_ F00070_ S00001_ 2-- Linux 3.2.0-56-virtual 714 Valid 27/03/16 20:15:05 28/03/16 07:59:56 0.00 109.0 / 115.5
HST1_ 000015_ 001470_ AC0009_ T300_ F00070_ S00001_ 0-- Linux 3.2.0-94-generic 714 Invalid 24/03/16 10:03:55 25/03/16 19:41:09 17.02 424.4 / 57.8
HST1_ 000015_ 001470_ AC0009_ T300_ F00070_ S00001_ 1-- Linux 3.19.0-25-generic 714 Valid 24/03/16 10:03:35 27/03/16 20:14:57 37.03 122.0 / 115.5

HST1_ 000018_ 001771_ AC0010_ T350_ F00071_ S00001_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 24/03/16 12:03:41 27/03/16 03:18:51 21.73 512.5 / 317.2
HST1_ 000018_ 001771_ AC0010_ T350_ F00071_ S00001_ 1-- Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 24/03/16 12:03:41 27/03/16 11:00:57 38.74 122.0 / 317.2

Edit: add more WU.

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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
Same here.
HST1_ 000021_ 002012_ AC0012_ T300_ F00012_ S00001_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 3/24/16 14:03:25 3/25/16 13:40:35 22.56 567.3 / 344.7 <--wingman
HST1_ 000021_ 002012_ AC0012_ T300_ F00012_ S00001_ 1-- Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 3/24/16 14:03:22 3/26/16 06:41:38 20.47 122.0 / 344.7<--me

HST1_ 000021_ 002046_ AC0012_ T300_ F00046_ S00001_ 1-- Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 3/24/16 14:03:22 3/26/16 07:44:27 20.51 122.0 / 238.9<--me
HST1_ 000021_ 002046_ AC0012_ T300_ F00046_ S00001_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 10 Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) 714 Valid 3/24/16 14:03:10 3/25/16 08:05:52 8.75 355.9 / 238.9<--wingman

Note the highlighted areas. Just 2 of many.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
I would like to point out that I get more credit for running a FAH2 task than a HST task. Not really complaining but I think that the credit I should get for HST should match the non-HST that takes about the same amount of time.


FAH2_ 000067_ avx17542_ 000067_ 0046_ 029_ 0-- Valid 3/25/16 02:08:34 3/26/16 07:37:28 8.81 / 8.82 343.5 / 343.5
FAH2_ 000071_ avx17558_ 000084_ 0008_ 017_ 0-- Valid 3/25/16 02:05:26 3/26/16 04:39:47 8.97 / 8.98 348.0 / 348.0
HST1_ 000035_ 003460_ AC0019_ T300_ F00060_ S00001_ 1-- Pending Validation 3/25/16 02:03:22 3/25/16 23:15:32 9.74 / 9.75 275.3 / 0.0
HST1_ 000035_ 003453_ AC0019_ T300_ F00053_ S00001_ 0-- Pending Validation 3/25/16 02:03:22 3/26/16 02:49:36 9.54 / 9.55 269.8 / 0.0
HST1_ 000035_ 003459_ AC0019_ T300_ F00059_ S00001_ 0-- Pending Validation 3/25/16 02:03:22 3/26/16 00:08:13 9.69 / 9.69 273.8 / 0.0
HST1_ 000035_ 003466_ AC0019_ T300_ F00066_ S00001_ 1-- Pending Validation 3/25/16 02:03:22 3/25/16 20:27:41 9.65 / 9.66 272.8 / 0.0
FAH2_ 000081_ avx38741_ 000037_ 0018_ 006_ 0-- Valid 3/24/16 18:31:59 3/25/16 20:27:41 9.25 / 9.25 356.9 / 356.9
FAH2_ 000076_ avx17684_ 000003_ 0029_ 019_ 0-- Valid 3/24/16 17:14:10 3/25/16 13:28:57 8.81 / 8.81 338.9 / 338.9
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
It is a WCG "tradition" to be punished for being fast and low credit across the board.
Interesting project though ... cowboy
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
It is a WCG "tradition" to be punished for being fast and low credit across the board.

I see it the other way. By this 122credit-rule I get extremely punished for beeing slow and the wingman also gets punished a bit, if he was fast.

122 credits for crunching about 24 hours is a bad joke.

My other PC will have finished the work after 80hours. Maybe he will claim 12 credits for this...?

Strange...

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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
When a task is super-seeding a 'certain' run time a standard credit of 122 is claimed.

E.g.: Win7 ..... cpu time 18.93 hours claim 599.3
same machine cpu time 19.07 hours claim 122.0

At least, if it were true we would have something logical to refer to. Stupid and unfair, but clear.

But it's not true.

One of my machines has completed 3 HST WUs, with CPU times between 19.67 and 20.15. All three have claimed 122 credits!!!

The first valid WU (19.89) had a fast wingman (13.03) who claimed 500 credits and we got 311.

But the second valid one (20.15) had a slower wingman (22.65) who claimed 462 credits and we got 292.

The third WU is still waiting for its wingman...

My feeling is that it is same crediting mess as usual. sad
Although it might be lower than usual. I mean lower crediting, not lower mess. crying
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks
Wonder where the button is to push [locked with superglue maybe], but with the first 3 data points to graph [blackish line], this certainly won't be the display for the right inducement, based off 4636 validated results: https://bit.ly/WCGCPH1 albeit a decidedly downward trend, the usual lowest common denominator approach of the "Credit_New" system plus the WCG downer augmentations [Where's the prozakc?].
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