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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

The BOINC Credits claimed for the longer HST1 by my i7-4770K have just dropped from around 32 per hour down to 14, with the total always being 222.1 as per _0 in this example. The wingman claimed exactly the same total amount. Not happy sad

HST1_ 001718_ 000056_ MT0016_ T400_ F00093_ S00002_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 10 Core x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) 714 Valid 06/05/16 12:03:07 08/05/16 08:37:56 15.59 222.1 / 222.1
HST1_ 001718_ 000056_ MT0016_ T400_ F00093_ S00002_ 1-- Microsoft Windows 10 Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) 714 Valid 06/05/16 12:03:07 08/05/16 01:50:37 18.99 222.1 / 222.1
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

Lets not lose focus on what's important here - it's the research.

The points are a nice-to-have. There are clearly limited resources running WCG (as with everything in life) and, as far as I can see, they are directed towards keeping the research running smoothly, with any spare time put towards this sort of thing.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

I agree with what's important and I'm carrying on crunching HST. However, some people do go where the points are, and points problems at WCG mean we lose, or fail to attract, some crunchers - that directly affects the research. It's therefore worth highlighting when problems like this occur.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

I agree with what's important and I'm carrying on crunching HST. However, some people do go where the points are, and points problems at WCG mean we lose, or fail to attract, some crunchers - that directly affects the research. It's therefore worth highlighting when problems like this occur.

I don't think anyone would come to WCG for the points. They have always been able to do better at other Boinc projects. It would be nice however if the points were equal between the different WCG projects.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

I was afraid that some would take the "High Road" and claim that its all about the research, it is of course. But taking that position really nullify's the hundreds of hours the development team invested years ago creating the point system in an effort to attract and motivate volunteers. Obviously they considered their efforts very important.

In fact, the WCG may be the only distributed network that continues to reward milestones with colored badges... Yes, it better than a "Certificate" or a "Thank you'. As a result, everyone is well motivated, there is better retention, and the project gets more work done. That's how the system was designed and it usually works well.

My concern here is really not the buggy point system, invalid work units or 20+ hour tasks, since every project has some sort of issue. Its really about the lack of anyone in management fully grasping these problems, communicating with us that they understand and and are actually doing something to resolve them.

The worst thing you can do to a project is ignore the customer base. So, where are the regular progress reports or a "punch list" that we can review online? Does anyone know the name of the director of this project? Does upper management really have an understanding of what has transpired and that the volunteers are becoming more and more frustrated?.

Lets be constructive here, it's more than just reporting a bug about a ridiculously low credit claim for longer running tasks, the real concern is about poor management and their perceived apathy about this project. There should be open and regular communication with whose who are "in charge" leading the way and setting appropriate expectations. Unfortunately, they haven't with any regularity. And we wish it was different.

The thousands of loyal volunteers from all over the world who routinely donate both their time and money deserve better.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

You are absolutely correct and well stated!
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

+1
I totally agree with vjahn1.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

Only way to get there attention is crunch other projects and let this one idle down. But to many folks on here don't care enough to do something like this and keep crunching the particular project. Went through this some years back on another project.
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

Only way to get there attention is crunch other projects and let this one idle down. But to many folks on here don't care enough to do something like this and keep crunching the particular project. Went through this some years back on another project.




Bearcat, you do understand that is not how things work around here, right? Even if everyone who reads the forum decides to not crunch this project, the exact same amount of HSTB will be crunched (just by other crunchers -- those that select all projects)
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Re: Ridiculous low credit claim for longer running tasks

Greetings all,

I have spent past 2 days looking into the points issue on HST1. From my investigations, the credit per cpu hour on HST1 is consistent with other projects. It does not have a huge difference in granting credit for cpu hour.

project avg(hours) avg(pts/result) pts/hour
cep2 5.022 148.217 30.340132690692457
mcm1 4.188 109.511 29.439103981935244
ugm1 3.521 88.848 29.114267908575524
oet1 1.447 35.129 127.76446991742107
fahb 12.753 321.901 28.42611930814068
hst1 13.386 317.543 29.051971496746113

During this investigation, I compared MCM1 credit per cpu hour for all results and graphed them. The bell curve between the granted credit on HST and MCM looked familiar. This to me drew me to the conclusion that it is mostly the outlier credit granted that needed to be investigated.

From this, I looked into why a few workunits, less than 20 per day were coming back with a low claimed credit. This is where I spent most of my time. I have tweaked the credit granted algorithm to correct for this issue and to have a more normalized credit granted to members for the HST1 project. This has been installed with the updated HST1 validator that was installed a few hours ago.

Thanks,
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