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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Where there are lowliers, there could be upliers, but these most often stay silent and count their beans :O). Anyway, the noon stats shows hardly any further slipping... 5 day project average is 23.6/hr and morning mean is 23.20/hr.
Just curious, is this a platform bound distribution? [think it is as seeing "committed to other platforms" at times] |
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Crystal Pellet
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 21, 2008 Post Count: 1406 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Where there are lowliers, there could be upliers . . . . . This is happening when 2 lowliers meet each other:Windows 10 Core x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00) 714 Valid 3/26/16 08:37:48 3/28/16 04:06:03 27.85 122.0 / 122.0 4.38 cr/hr Windows 7 x64 Edition, SP1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Valid 3/26/16 08:37:37 3/28/16 21:15:54 28.96 122.0 / 122.0 4.21 cr/hr |
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Former Member
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Was going thru the 17 my my RS pages in PVal. Starting to see 176.1 as default claim instead of 122 on error wingman. Is this the new "lie to me" treat?
HST1_ 000330_ 000062_ KC0010_ T300_ F00062_ S00001_ 1-- Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Error 3/28/16 12:37:04 3/28/16 12:52:36 0.00 176.1 / 0.0 HST1_ 000331_ 000017_ KC0010_ T350_ F00017_ S00001_ 0-- Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00) 714 Error 3/28/16 12:52:38 3/28/16 13:02:14 0.00 176.1 / 0.0 Meantime, also see decided dropping of claims on the 16-17 hour versions... before it was ~500, now it's lowered to <400. Looks like the CN system is applying the determined averages to new results [which means continued gravitating down]. |
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Former Member
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Sorry for using 'droppings', which I think is a pseudonym for 'bird in flight' excrements, where guano at least is fertile.
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Crystal Pellet
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 21, 2008 Post Count: 1406 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Starting to see 176.1 as default claim instead of 122 on error wingman. Is this the new "lie to me" treat? Just noticed the new raised claim too, but for getting a 'normal' claim you should process faster than for the old claim.With the old claim the turning point on that system/benchmark was about 19 hours (see OP). Now I've to guess where the turning point is. At least lower than 18.45 hours. HST1_ 000324_ 000067_ KC0007_ T300_ F00067_ S00001_ 1-- AH1 Pending Validation 3/28/16 07:33:07 3/29/16 09:21:46 18.39 / 18.59 176.1 / 0.0 HST1_ 000324_ 000006_ KC0007_ T300_ F00006_ S00001_ 0-- AH1 Pending Validation 3/28/16 07:03:07 3/29/16 09:21:46 18.25 / 18.50 176.1 / 0.0 HST1_ 000324_ 000004_ KC0007_ T300_ F00004_ S00001_ 0-- AH1 Pending Validation 3/28/16 07:03:07 3/29/16 09:19:18 18.23 / 18.50 176.1 / 0.0 HST1_ 000324_ 000026_ KC0007_ T300_ F00026_ S00001_ 0-- AH1 Pending Validation 3/28/16 07:03:07 3/29/16 09:04:14 18.19 / 18.45 176.1 / 0.0 [Edit 1 times, last edit by Crystal Pellet at Mar 29, 2016 9:38:26 AM] |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
As what I was ranting on about earlier on in this thread, with your proficiency, suggest you test the waters and lower
<p_fpops>2588593553.718619</p_fpops> <p_iops>7945375340.226294</p_iops> And set the skip_benchmark in cc_config on the subject device [either your real or VM client], then let us know if it made a difference. Lower the value by about 30% [On total claim as computed by servers the benchmark as communicated with each report represents I seem to remember a 20% component of total 'assumed'] The above values with 2Ghz fixed and HT on gives me the ~400 claims. BTW, I also remember the shown claim is a hack-in by WCG... no other straight BOINC project has the claim shown anymore [AFAICR]. The Grant is based on current statistics where there's wingman involved. |
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Bearcat
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Just looked at my results. Allot show completed round 2 to 3 hrs. Have never seen any while crunching under 12 hrs. Something is weird. Will look at todays upload and verify as all are over 12 hrs and see how wcg determines them.
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Crystal Pellet
Veteran Cruncher Joined: May 21, 2008 Post Count: 1406 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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As what I was ranting on about earlier on in this thread, with your proficiency, suggest you test the waters ... I already looked at the benchmark before and the values were: fpops 3727679553.666895 and iops 9403716553.821402 I enabled benchmark in cc_config and run the benchmark check creating new figures: fpops 3366827042.225553 and iops 10067259725.117895 After 2 in progress CEP BETA's are ready or checkpointed, I'll stop BOINC, lower those values and will test again. |
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Crystal Pellet
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I reduced the benchmarks with 30% on 2 machines, but I still see strange behavior with the claimed credits.
On the machine where I tested before, the claim is down again to 122. HST1_ 000325_ 000100_ KC0007_ T350_ F00100_ S00001_ 0-- Valid 3/28/16 09:03:09 3/30/16 09:37:18 19.66 / 20.14 176.1 / 176.1 HST1_ 000147_ 000033_ MC0011_ T300_ F00033_ S00001_ 3-- Valid 3/28/16 14:34:07 3/30/16 11:29:52 19.69 / 20.05 122.0 / 226.0 HST1_ 000151_ 000010_ MC0013_ T300_ F00010_ S00001_ 3-- Valid 3/28/16 14:34:07 3/30/16 11:32:20 19.75 / 20.17 122.0 / 270.1 HST1_ 000137_ 000090_ MC0006_ T300_ F00090_ S00001_ 3-- Valid 3/28/16 14:46:33 3/30/16 11:59:50 19.76 / 20.17 122.0 / 174.4 HST1_ 000160_ 000088_ MC0017_ T350_ F00088_ S00001_ 3-- P-Val 3/28/16 16:13:14 3/30/16 12:44:56 19.59 / 19.98 122.0 / 0.0 On the other machine it looks like the claim normalized. HST1_ 000174_ 000068_ MC0024_ T350_ F00068_ S00001_ 0-- PVal 3/26/16 08:37:37 3/28/16 21:20:10 28.86 / 29.00 122.0 / 0.0 HST1_ 000181_ 000057_ MC0028_ T300_ F00057_ S00001_ 0-- PVal 3/26/16 09:37:38 3/28/16 21:22:20 29.02 / 29.07 122.0 / 0.0 HST1_ 000174_ 000082_ MC0024_ T350_ F00082_ S00001_ 0-- PVal 3/26/16 08:37:37 3/28/16 21:44:00 28.93 / 28.99 544.6 / 0.0 HST1_ 000337_ 000058_ KC0014_ T350_ F00058_ S00001_ 0-- PVal 3/28/16 18:33:42 3/30/16 16:58:11 27.95 / 28.04 411.7 / 0.0 |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Drop it further on the reticent machine, and yes also saw some wingman with 122 coming through again. You need to understand that the base credit system was 'designed' by the SETI project boss... an
 ingredient in there and then WCG warped it with all those outlier rules. |
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