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SGI
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Bit bizarre but since participating in this project one of our computers fails in making its daily backup over the LAN to our server.
Dell computer running XP Pro SP2. Microsoft Backup. Error in application log : ID 8001 and 8019. Backup file is about 438 MB which is about 25% of what it should be. Seems a communication problem. Any ideas ?? |
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Former Member
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Since this is the first report of this problem that I can recall, my first guess is that it is unrelated, but to try and point the spotlight our way - - Did the system backup fine until the WCG Agent was installed? Did it then begin failing immediately after installation? If the Agent is shut down (using Exit) before the backup begins, does the backup run to completion?
Also, are there similar systems running both the Agent and the backup successfully? If so, how similar are they? As soon as I stop thinking about the CPU-intensive Agent and Rosetta program, a backup failure makes me wonder about: A) Communications B) Hard drive and file system Since I am a network klutz, I would start by investigating the integrity of the file system and the drive. You might have done this already, so I will not embarass myself by giving detailed suggestions to someone who might be much more expert than myself. But I will give the link to our 'Useful Utilities' thread at: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2490 Do you have any more information that you can give us? mycrofth |
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SGI
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This computer worked fine before installing the software, no problems innormal use, only with backup. After shutting down (exit) the Proteone project AND using the standard XP screensaver on this system the backup worked fine again.
I changed the profile to stop the Proteone project duing backup hours, that did not seem to help, but I did not really check if the Proteone software was inactive. The server also runs the proteone Project, no problems there. No other similar systems here. Hard drive and file system : no errors reported. A few minutes after (scheduled) starting the backup program while running the Proteone Project there are always a few system Warnings : MRxSmb : ID 50 {Delayed Write Failed} Windows was unable to save all the data for the file \Device\LanmanRedirector. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere. This only happens when the Proteone project or at least its screensaver is running. So I guess it is related. I wonder if the screensaver causes the problem. Backup is done late in the evening so after running the screensaver and after shutting down the display. |
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SGI
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Additional information.
Server running XP Pro has the same problem when making a backup to an other system in the local network. |
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
When you change the profile for when the agent runs (via the web site), the new setting is not in effect until the agent finishes the current work unit it is working on. At that time it communicates with the servers and receives the new profile settings.
If you minimize the agent window (if it is up) and then right click on the agent icon in the system tray at the lower right, you can choose Exit which will stop the agent. After doing this, try the backup to see what happens. It may be that the backup process is waiting for one of the agent files to become unlocked, and thus would have to wait many hours. If this is the case, try excluding the WorldCommunityGrid install directory from the backup. It really does not need to be backed up anyway. Another thing to check might be total virtual memory usage. If the backup process cannot allocate enough memory to do its work, it might give strange problems. Try increasing your maximum virtual memory setting by 200 or 300 MB. |
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Hi SGI,
Your report really does make it sound as though the WCG Agent is implicated. Viktor's suggestion seems good to me: It may be that the backup process is waiting for one of the agent files to become unlocked, and thus would have to wait many hours. If this is the case, try excluding the WorldCommunityGrid install directory from the backup. It really does not need to be backed up anyway. The server is probably too important to use as a testbed, so you will probably want to stop the Agent on it while experimenting on the desktop. If Viktor's suggestion does not clear things up, then -- post back here in case somebody has a new idea. But if they do not, an additional step is to start playing with profiles. You can create profiles named Test1, Test2, etc. and force your Agent to download them by selecting the profile in My Grid, then using Task Manager on your desktop to stop WCGrid_Rosetta.exe. The Agent (UD.exe) interprets this as a catastrophic failure and downloads a new Work Unit, a new copy of WCGrid_Rosetta.exe, and any new profile that you have selected. Then you can check the Agent View to make sure that the Profile running is the new test profile that you selected. Examples of test profiles are a profile to run any time without a screensaver [be sure to select some other screensaver, such as blank on your desktop in this example] or to run only during hours when backup should not be running. Another profile possibility is disallowing communication during the backup period, but I do not think that this would be a regular problem such as you report, so I suggest ignoring it. My general plan of action is to start by investigating Viktor's suggestion that regular check point writes to the hard disk in the WorldCommunityGrid directory are causing this problem [This really sounds like the solution.], but if that fails, go on to consider the possibility of some mysterious interaction with the screensaver. mycrofth |
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SGI
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Thanks for responding
When you change the profile for when the agent runs (via the web site), the new setting is not in effect until the agent finishes the current work unit it is working on. At that time it communicates with the servers and receives the new profile settings. I know this If you minimize the agent window (if it is up) and then right click on the agent icon in the system tray at the lower right, you can choose Exit which will stop the agent. After doing this, try the backup to see what happens. Backup works after Exit (See previous msg) It may be that the backup process is waiting for one of the agent files to become unlocked, and thus would have to wait many hours. If this is the case, try excluding the WorldCommunityGrid install directory from the backup. It really does not need to be backed up anyway. If I get it right the work files of the agent are all in the Programs folder which is NOT part of the backup in these systems. If there are some files in "my documents" or so then I would like to know where. Another thing to check might be total virtual memory usage. If the backup process cannot allocate enough memory to do its work, it might give strange problems. Try increasing your maximum virtual memory setting by 200 or 300 MB. Memory on Dell : 512 MB + standard virtual (768-1536) Memory on Server : 1.024 MB + standard virtual Should be enough, not ? |
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SGI
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Additional information:
The screensaver is NOT causing the trouble. |
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SGI
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Hi SGI, Your report really does make it sound as though the WCG Agent is implicated. Viktor's suggestion seems good to me: It may be that the backup process is waiting for one of the agent files to become unlocked, and thus would have to wait many hours. If this is the case, try excluding the WorldCommunityGrid install directory from the backup. It really does not need to be backed up anyway. The server is probably too important to use as a testbed, so you will probably want to stop the Agent on it while experimenting on the desktop. If Viktor's suggestion does not clear things up, then -- post back here in case somebody has a new idea. But if they do not, an additional step is to start playing with profiles. You can create profiles named Test1, Test2, etc. and force your Agent to download them by selecting the profile in My Grid, then using Task Manager on your desktop to stop WCGrid_Rosetta.exe. The Agent (UD.exe) interprets this as a catastrophic failure and downloads a new Work Unit, a new copy of WCGrid_Rosetta.exe, and any new profile that you have selected. Then you can check the Agent View to make sure that the Profile running is the new test profile that you selected. Examples of test profiles are a profile to run any time without a screensaver [be sure to select some other screensaver, such as blank on your desktop in this example] or to run only during hours when backup should not be running. Another profile possibility is disallowing communication during the backup period, but I do not think that this would be a regular problem such as you report, so I suggest ignoring it. My general plan of action is to start by investigating Viktor's suggestion that regular check point writes to the hard disk in the WorldCommunityGrid directory are causing this problem [This really sounds like the solution.], but if that fails, go on to consider the possibility of some mysterious interaction with the screensaver. mycrofth Thanks for responding. I regret but as I'm running a business I can't spend too much time on testing. Victor's suggestions are interesting, see also my reply (parts included in the quote...). UD screensaver is not the cause. Systems have plenty of memory and disk space + standard windows XP virtual Agent files (default installation) are not included in the backup as they are in the Programs tree. The problem still occurs with the profile set to inactive during the backup, I checked that that profile was active. My general plan of action is to start by investigating Viktor's suggestion that regular check point writes to the hard disk in the WorldCommunityGrid directory are causing this problem [This really sounds like the solution.] How can I see that this is the cause ? Is there anyone who has Microsofts backup program running (sheduled) together with the agent without problems ? Remark : Backup starts and writes a few hundred MB, so you'll probably only see it with larger backups. I'm shutting down the agents, no more time to test, and I need the daily backups. If you have specific questions about the configuration, I'll be glad to answer. Sorry, no time for longer tests. I'll check back here to see if a solution comes up. |
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Hi SGI,
Thanks for trying. I think that you are right. The solution is likely to come from somebody who is running Microsoft Backup. Some general info - most of the installation changes are in the Program Files\WorldCommunityGrid directory, where the temporary check point file is. We do not change the Registry, we just add a link to UD.exe in Startup, add a screensaver, add the uninstall routine and set up the menu choices. So even a simple delete of the startup link and changing the screensaver would effectively remove the program (though it would leave your disk cluttered with useless junk). We will keep this problem with Microsoft Backup in mind. As I said before, it is an unfamiliar problem. Best Wishes, mycrofth |
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