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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
This is a long-term effect that I have noted before. It could be that they have reached the limit of what they can reasonably do. With the declining cost of silicon solar cells, there may not be much market space left for the organic cells. If Harvard wants to present their case I would listen, but they have not chosen to do so in some time, which says something, to me at least.
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Harvard is preparing another group of work units to run. In order to make sure we don't run out of work units in the meantime, we've lowered the feeder priority for CEP2. Any "no work available" messages should be transient if your client happens to catch the feeder before it is restocked. The new feeder priority should only be temporary until the next group of work units is available. Seippel Thanks for telling, and to launch into the banana question: Why did this information not get shared when you set the slowdown?... members notice, someone always does, you know, and days of speculation went before, and probably a few good computing days went sailing to never be re-gained. [IBM should know that delayed income is lost income] |
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Gatchaman
Cruncher Joined: Feb 29, 2012 Post Count: 49 Status: Offline |
Harvard............... The new feeder priority should only be temporary until the next group of work units is available. Seippel And how are we supposed to know when that happens ? Still not turning my boxes back on until you guys say you are 100% back up and running. "Sadly this project is turning into nonscience......" |
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Dayle Diamond
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 31, 2013 Post Count: 447 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Gatchaman, I can think of a few projects that would be very lucky to have your crunching power in the meantime.
Please consider checking only the Box for CEP2 and "If there is no work available for the project(s) I have selected above, please send me work from another project." If you can't see yourself excited for any of our other projects, think of it as removing projects from today's shared pool so that future allocations will lean a little harder on CEP2. |
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Gatchaman
Cruncher Joined: Feb 29, 2012 Post Count: 49 Status: Offline |
Gatchaman, I can think of a few projects that would be very lucky to have your crunching power in the meantim.....................................ns will lean a little harder on CEP2. I pray for the day when we can ALL help to crunch for other WCG by simply plugging in a tablet such as a Hudl2 into a CEP ;-) solar panel and crunch away for free. I have four of these tabs all with broken screens so they were being sold for cheap as spares or repairs. Powered by a quad core Z3735D it still packs quite a processing punch. Low power tablet cluster anyone? I could set those to crunch for other WCG projects. In all seriousness though I've been informed that in the next 12 or so months I'm about to lose the space I use for my crunching boxes at work so I need to maximise the limited time I have left to crunch CEP WU's. Sadly CEP is not just a plug'n'crunch project. CEP takes total dedication to crunch for and that fact needs to be advertised more. It's sold to the public with no warning that on certain equipment WU's can take 18+ hours to crunch. A quick scan of the details of CEP and this is all I could find " Why is Phase 2 of the Clean Energy Project an opt-in project? These calculations require work units that may run longer, have higher memory, disk space and data transfer requirements. Therefore, we are providing the users the option to opt-in to the project." That warning is just a bit too vague in my books and WU's resetting back to zero puts amateur CEP crunchers off as it is. As a noob cruncher for CEP I had no idea the check points were so sparse to begin with and complained like other noobs have, and still do to this day :-). The funny thing is I've just bought my first rack server! 2X E5620 and 8GB DR3. I've never set up a raid before so the next few days/weeks will be fun getting it up and running just so long as I can get my hands on some ultra ultra cheap ssd drives. I promise to dedicate my boxes to other WCG projects just as soon as CEP ends. "Sadly this project is turning into nonscience......" [Edit 1 times, last edit by Gatchaman at Feb 12, 2016 7:12:52 PM] |
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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Sadly CEP is not just a plug'n'crunch project. CEP takes total dedication to crunch for and that fact needs to be advertised more. It's sold to the public with no warning that on certain equipment WU's can take 18+ hours to crunch. A quick scan of the details of CEP and this is all I could find " Why is Phase 2 of the Clean Energy Project an opt-in project? These calculations require work units that may run longer, have higher memory, disk space and data transfer requirements. Therefore, we are providing the users the option to opt-in to the project." That warning is just a bit too vague in my books and WU's resetting back to zero puts amateur CEP crunchers off as it is. As a noob cruncher for CEP I had no idea the check points were so spars to begin with and complained like other noobs have, and still do to this day :-). I guess I have been around here too long, since I am only too well aware of the above limitations. But you are right that a new user might not pick up on all the requirements. In any case, we need some communications whether all the hardware we have put together should be put out to pasture elsewhere, or whether it will be needed again for CEP2. I am happy to crunch other WCG projects, but I might change my hardware around a little if I knew what they were going to give us. |
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Paul Schlaffer
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Post Count: 240 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Gatchaman,
----------------------------------------CEP is also my primary project at moment. I can relay I have had no lack of CEP work since the afternoon of the 8th. “Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” – James Madison (1792) |
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Punchy
Advanced Cruncher Texas Joined: Nov 30, 2010 Post Count: 60 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Gatchaman, CEP is also my primary project at moment. I can relay I have had no lack of CEP work since the afternoon of the 8th. +1, with the caveat that for me this applies to Windows only. I've been trying on and off for weeks to get CEP2 on Linux with no luck. That's unfortunate because I believe Linux has better memory management, particularly integration of filesystem cache and ramdisk, so I could handle more work with less memory than Windows demands. |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Comments like these always raise the question: Can we see your Linux BOINC event log, from client startup to where the messages start to deny the work provision?
----------------------------------------Next week, 16th I'll be firing up my Ubuntu 14.04LTS with 3.16 kernel to major upgrade to the 4.2 LTS kernel which has significant file/disk handling improvements. Then will test CEP2 again, with which I did not have the greatest experience on Linux... better computing lost against poor i/o to swap and storage, net poorer efficiency than under W7 64 bits (though Ce is only 32 bits) . [Edit 1 times, last edit by SekeRob* at Feb 11, 2016 2:56:34 PM] |
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Gatchaman
Cruncher Joined: Feb 29, 2012 Post Count: 49 Status: Offline |
Thanks for the info.
----------------------------------------Powered up the boxes so my minuscule tears of crunched WU's can add to CEP's sea of results so far. Think I'm going to have to convert these boxes to Linux soon. If only I knew how...... Have to bleed every ounce of power out of these guys before it's game over so to speak. And will raiding ssd's on a 4GB 775 system make any difference to performance? Obviously there isn't enough room for a ram drive so raid is the next best thing, no? And.... http://cleanenergy.molecularspace.org/news/ Hasn't been updated in a while. "Sadly this project is turning into nonscience......" [Edit 1 times, last edit by Gatchaman at Feb 13, 2016 12:41:24 AM] |
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