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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

L, Uplinger already precisely explained why the ECD is shown as is.
It's not possible to know the exact OET ECD now because of the various sized units.
Showing an ECD in many cases would be just pure guessing, so if you want to see it, just imagine anything you want or do rand().
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KLIK,

Again, the end of project estimate is just that, an estimate. We based it off what I had explained in this post:

https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/...d,37594_offset,100#518333

Doing estimates manually for every project on a regular basis just to keep the estimated end date is not a wise use of our time, as it is just an estimate which has too many variables for many different projects. Again with many variables/projects we tried to come up with a way to estimate that would be somewhat fair to all the projects.

Also, It appears that starting with batch 3666 we will be getting back to flexible work units until the end. These will have batch counts of 100k work units instead of the 2k that we are seeing now.

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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

Thanks for the update Keith.
So in about 1 week we will switch back to the usual units (~1600 of those remaining, which should take very approximately 1 year) and then those 200 monsters. But everything depends on other projects...
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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

KLIK,

Again, the end of project estimate is just that, an estimate. We based it off what I had explained in this post:

https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/...d,37594_offset,100#518333

Doing estimates manually for every project on a regular basis just to keep the estimated end date is not a wise use of our time, as it is just an estimate which has too many variables for many different projects. Again with many variables/projects we tried to come up with a way to estimate that would be somewhat fair to all the projects.

Also, It appears that starting with batch 3666 we will be getting back to flexible work units until the end. These will have batch counts of 100k work units instead of the 2k that we are seeing now.

Thanks,
-Uplinger

oh, God...you don't have it automated?!

forget it then...until you came with a script that does the ECD automatically!
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No KLiK, they don't estimate the ECD manually.
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No KLiK, they don't estimate the ECD manually.

then, they can fix the program...I've suggested (in other topic) the computing an ECD from the beginning of the project, not the "last loaded batches", like it has been done now!
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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

Klik,
Given the way this project has widely varying work unit sizes and widely varying batch sizes along with a host of other possible variables, any estimate is just that, an estimate. Take with a grain of salt or postulate your own. Remember, the scientists can add or subtract batches or change the iterations of the work units or any of a number of things to change the run time of the work units. Also any influx or outflow of crunchers will affect the throughput of the project. Just relax and crunch.
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Klik, which ever way they "cut the numbers", the only true time when we'll know exactly what the end date of the project will be, is literally when the last WU is returned.

What we do know, is that the MCM & UGM projects are nearing their end - and thus, that'll have an effect on the length of this project. Also, another two new projects have recently come aboard (FAHB & HST), so again, that'll have an effect on the end date of this project. There may be new projects coming on board that we don't know about - and/or there may be issues with projects that are already running on the grid.

Then, on top of that, the length of the WU's for this particular project can (and, by the sounds of it, will) change. Thereby, providing yet another parameter that will affect the end date of the project.

Furthermore, there may be other parameters totally outwith the control of WCG - such as funding issues for the OET project that may mean that it's curtailed sooner than originally planned (it wouldn't be the first - HPF2 being one example of this).

Thus, as suggested, take the ESTIMATED date as just that - an estimate. The techs have provided an insight into what's coming down the pipe, which will extend the project into next year. Also, they've provided an indication (i.e. the batch numbers), so use that as an indicator - just as Sgt Joe has done with his very useful and regular MCM updates.

You, just as everyone is freely able to do, can start a tracking thread that'll can provide a stab at giving a reliable end date of the project - so feel free to start one.
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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

Klik,
Given the way this project has widely varying work unit sizes and widely varying batch sizes along with a host of other possible variables, any estimate is just that, an estimate. Take with a grain of salt or postulate your own. Remember, the scientists can add or subtract batches or change the iterations of the work units or any of a number of things to change the run time of the work units. Also any influx or outflow of crunchers will affect the throughput of the project. Just relax and crunch.
Cheers

yes, I do know that...it's just like ECD like "copying 500GB over USB", might be that time, might be sooner, might be later...'cause some files are larger (quicker), but some are a bunch of smaller (slower)...

but it's calculated from the beginning of the copying...
so should this calculation of ECD be done from the beginning of the project! & the ECD won't be in May then...it would still fluctuate...but not that much!
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& I'm relaxed...still have plenty of time to get 10y D badge in OET till 2017!
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Re: Outsmart Ebola Together - Crunching Chart

Klik, which ever way they "cut the numbers", the only true time when we'll know exactly what the end date of the project will be, is literally when the last WU is returned.

What we do know, is that the MCM & UGM projects are nearing their end - and thus, that'll have an effect on the length of this project. Also, another two new projects have recently come aboard (FAHB & HST), so again, that'll have an effect on the end date of this project. There may be new projects coming on board that we don't know about - and/or there may be issues with projects that are already running on the grid.

Then, on top of that, the length of the WU's for this particular project can (and, by the sounds of it, will) change. Thereby, providing yet another parameter that will affect the end date of the project.

Furthermore, there may be other parameters totally outwith the control of WCG - such as funding issues for the OET project that may mean that it's curtailed sooner than originally planned (it wouldn't be the first - HPF2 being one example of this).

Thus, as suggested, take the ESTIMATED date as just that - an estimate. The techs have provided an insight into what's coming down the pipe, which will extend the project into next year. Also, they've provided an indication (i.e. the batch numbers), so use that as an indicator - just as Sgt Joe has done with his very useful and regular MCM updates.

You, just as everyone is freely able to do, can start a tracking thread that'll can provide a stab at giving a reliable end date of the project - so feel free to start one.

well, to have ECD in Research page in May 2016 is just: wrong logic in program creation! that's why I'm still posting here, so that techs can fix that...hopefully!

why?
today is 11/04/2016,
we have crunched from 03/12/2014
that is 495d
but we had about 2m pause of the project...so that's -60d, or 435d total crunching!
today last batch received (for me) is 2899
that makes average (from the beginning of the project) of 6,664 batches per day
with that you calculate the rest (5463 - 2899 / 6,664)...making it about 385d
so it with that little Excel or manual calc, you get ECD on last days of Apr 2017

certainly NOT May 2016!
but we'll have more than May 2017, as from batch 3666 goes normal progress of larger WUs...& last 200 are MONSTERS! cool

so techs, please use averages from the beginning of the project...they are "more certain" in calculations! all the speed up of the project will get subsidized from the:
- resend of WUs
- completed batches
& we'll still have more accurate result for the ECD!
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