think i've heard of it in passing, fing, though haven't really looked into it or tried it. i do need to format my linux partition on my desktop though....it's a mess at the moment.


if fing wants fast, research getting a stage 1 install of gentoo going with all the optimizations

Hi from within the world of Linux UBUNTU style

It hasn't been plain sailing but it's been a lot less hassle than I thought it would be.

I was using the Live CD earlier now I've gone for the full install. Tearing my hair out most of the evening I think it took about 5 attempts to get it to install - the secret? - disable the SATA support from within the BIOS.

Its discovered all my hardware it knows about my Wireless Lan card I just haven't found out how to configure it to log on to the router. So I'm currently wired (100M) for sound on the Hoary Hedgehog Release.

Thanks Mousie

All we need now is a Linux Agent
Dave

He He..... Gentoo Linux. Looks cool. I must have been thinking about another Distro yesterday. I haven't seen this one before. Losts of fond followers with this one. Also, the first one I find myself reading the install manual for. (haven't started to try and load it up yet) Not a lot of info on the different stages though (Soooo many choices). Guess I'll just have to keep reading. heehe Strange thought here. If I keep throwing different Distros at this old IDE drive I'm using, I'm probably going to let the smoke out of it. HAHAHahaha..

Looks like I'm going to learn a lot just getting it installed. WOW....
Guess the best way to start is from the command line anyway... Hmmm. Is there an app that will allow you to create an image after it's set up the way you like? I know there are a few for Win, Guess that will be something else for me to learn about.. I think I'll stick with Vector Linux for now.. Learn some more before I attempt to tackle the Gentoo instal... I'd like to understand more about the commands I'm giving instead of just "Well the book told me to type this" I like to know what the "this" part actually does.

Here is an interesting article in The Inquirer at http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26935 Wendy Grossman is a good columnist.

Dumber people can run Linux

net.wars

By Wendy M. Grossman: Friday 14 October 2005, 12:44

FOR A COUPLE of years now I've had the idea that I should migrate my mail server to Linux.

The mail server is Communigate, and it's running on Windows 2000. It's ultra-stable, that's not the problem. Truly. It *never* goes wrong except when I'm out of town. No, the reason to change is that there are some spam-filtering things called Razor and Pyzor that I could add to my installation of SpamAssassin that don't run on Windows. Or so the documentation I have here says.

So a couple of weeks ago I acquired an old Thinkpad and took a poll among my friends as to which GNU/Linux-type operating system I should put on it. It didn't necessarily, I said, have to be the easiest to install since I really only intended to install it once; it did need to be reliable. Fedora Core, said a couple. FreeBSD, said a couple of others. Solaris, said one. Ask a question like this in a room full of geeks, and you can get them all arguing among themselves. Fun!

So I decided to be difficult and download Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com/ ) instead (because the friend I consulted by email suggested it and then it turned out that all those geeks who recommended other things said, "Oh, yeah, I have one running that. I like it."). Of course, unless I download and install, one by one, every Linux variant I'll never know which one is "best", but friends, if there's a Linux I would hand a novice to install, this is it. Yes, the text messages that scroll by at length are a little intimidating. But so what? When it comes to a point where it has to ask you something, it does so in plain English and tells you why it wants to know. After all these decades of obscure error messages and cryptic questions, here's an operating system that says something like, "From your choice of language, we guess you're in one of these countries. Which is it?" I would have kissed it, except that it isn't tangible, plus you look really silly kissing a Thinkpad that won't even turn into a talking frog.

Here's the other thing: it worked. It said, "Choose a user name and a password." It logged me in. And there was an entire computer, ready to go. It connected to the Internet. Firefox went places. Email downloaded. OpenOffice…officed. I mean, call that open source? Where's the anguish and pain? Where's the six weeks of downloading drivers and learning how to compile source code? A shocking lapse of standards, I call it. If Linux can be run by people as dumb as the people who can run Windows, it's the end of civilization as we know it. Don't these people understand that writers need things to complain about if we're to be able to make a living?

To be fair, if this were a traveling laptop instead of a prospective mail server, there almost certainly would be more misery involved. For one thing, in its present job the Thinkpad doesn't have to care whether its PCMCIA slots are functional (the device manager says they are, but that's not the same as getting a specific card to work). It didn't care to read the compact flash card I tried, and because its wired ethernet worked I didn't have a lot of incentive to find a wireless card to fight with. Although I see there are instructions available for my SMC.

It was a little more complicated getting it to talk to the other Windows machines around here. The interface is of course pretty and graphical, but you do feel a bit like you've landed in Denmark or somewhere, so that although the elements of daily life are recognizable the names are all foreign. As in, "Hey! We're not in CTRL-ALT-DEL any more!" Once you know that you invoke a thing called Samba to connect to Windows machines it's easy enough to search for instructions. The difficulty is bootstrapping that first word. So that took a second try. Second. Not third.

Then you have to admire the Synaptic package manager. Now, I realize this isn't just an Ubuntu thing, but it's still an impressively well organized way of finding, installing, and keeping up to date the software you want to use. On balance, it's astonishing Microsoft hasn't built something like that into Windows so that you could click, type in a credit card, and have software arrive. Or it would be if it weren't for the antitrust suit that would inevitably follow the company's creating such a thing. Sure, it could open such a system to third parties, but in practice that is never going to happen in the commercial world. Microsoft might decide it was good business to take a sliver of millions of software purchases it currently has no share of; that part is obvious. But third parties would have to balance the increased ease of acquiring customers and sales against having to share that part of their customer database with the Borg. Not gonna happen.

So: so far, so good. Mailserver migration is next, so more excitements doubtless to follow. But if these people keep it up, next thing you know you won't even have to stuff your own penguin. µ

Wendy M. Grossman’s Web site ( http://www.pelicancrossing.net/ ) has an extensive archive of her books, articles, and music, and an archive of all the earlier columns in this series ( http://www.pelicancrossing.net/nwcols.htm ). She has an intermittent blog ( http://www.livejournal.com/~wendyg/ ). Readers are welcome to post there or to send email, but please turn off HTML.