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Re: The PrimeGrid Cheating Scandal

i also think PG is completely useless.

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Staying on topic, what if WCG just not give credits for Invalid/Inconclusive ? This will solve the issue.


It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes
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It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes


Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case.
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It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes


Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case.


Yet some questions:

Why do you crunch Collatz and Milkyway? How many will be saved ? cool

How can it be that you see the work done in WCG totally parted from anything
else that is done? In other places one are aware of that things are connected.
To manage to solve one problem, another one has to be solved also.. and yet
another one. What is used in any computing work?

Why have this thread ended up being yet another defence thread for WCG - by
degrading any other project -
when no one has said anything negative about WCG project as such, and
this thread was to inform about what happens To the project? confused

Here the word Cancer gets used to "dismiss" questions and meanings.
I am not going to tell you about my own experience when it comes to cancer or any Other illness. But
I am pretty sure that most of us has experienced it quite close.. Only reminding you that there are other bad ways to lose dear ones..
No matter what cause someone to die, its sad, and difficult for those that
loved them. There are many horrible ways it can happen.. So why talk and act
as if only WCG can save the world? ;-) A lot of help is needed all around the world for many causes.

If I lose my family at sea, and of this reason, and for the sake of
everyone else out there that may come in the same situaiton, I economicly support the Resque Service, whilst
crunching PG and MW and other projets.. Am I then a stupid and worthless
person with no empathy, because i dont crunch much WCG - and therefore should be replied to
in a rude manner when ever showing up here? wink

Its ok that you say yes.. It doesnt change anything for me, nor for anyone else. Because this is not
a matter of person, but a point in general, and
shows what attitude that goes with the answer.

I rest my case too.. I can honestly say that since im not the scientist behind any
of the projects, and therefore doesnt have the total knowledge about it all -
and all the connections that are a fact in this world we live in.. then I see
all projects as worthy my help. And I`ll stick to it. wink
I wish WCG good luck in their task.. but it would be even better if it
was done without beating everyone else for working in other projects too.

Happy Crunching!
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Re: The PrimeGrid Cheating Scandal


It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes


Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case.


You have made no case whatsoever.
You have simply sidestepped the issue - that people make statements without any founding or reason.
The last time I checked numbers and mathematics were integral to nearly every aspect of science and research.
It is clear that you are here simply to push your own narrow minded agenda and attack any valid criticism of the misinformation being perpetuated by people who are clearly beyond reasoning with.
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Re: The PrimeGrid Cheating Scandal

@x3mEn

Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case. biggrin

I am resting with you!! sad
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Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

Here is a little education about prime numbers.

A prime number is defined as a number that can be divided by only two positive integers, one and itself. For example, 2, 3, 7, 11, 13, 17 etc. are all prime numbers. Their current mathematical application in today'€™s world is very important as they are used in encryption and/or data encryption and is valuable in creating secure computer systems and networks. As an example, financial transactions such as credit cards, protection of your personal private information such as your medical records that should be data encrypted to prevent unauthorized access. If medical records are not or has poor data encryption and if these medical record were compromised by a hacker or an unauthorized party because prime numbers did not exist to help secure this information someone could potentially alter an individual'€™s medical records or create false medical information. If this was to occur, the person might not receive the proper medical treatment and potentially suffer, become crippled, health condition could further deteriorate, or maybe die. What then??

Identity theft is an ever growing problem with various data encryption schemes. Now try living in today's world where secure data encryption does not exist. Wonder how the WCG, any BOINC or non-BOINC site, WEB based business, banking and financial services, medical services to name a few would operate without various safeguards and encryption keys to safeguard information. In short, personal information and financial assets could become easily compromised. Unless of course you keep your financial assets, medical records and other personal private information in a mattress, then you might be safe unless someone breaks in to your dwelling and steals or destroys what you thought was being safeguarded.

Here is a question to think about:

1. If prime numbers did not exist, what would happen to all my secure logins, passwords, encryption keys, and how secure would any electronic transaction occur? What type of world would we live in and how different would it be today?

Now to be fair I will answer your question. "If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?" First of all their are infinite number of prime numbers and there is no secret about that. Second, about the same probability as when you crunched Milkyway@Home, Collatz Conjecture, or any other project you have crunched before. In case you forgot, here is a reminder of your previous crunching activities http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/15098/projectList
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Re: The PrimeGrid Cheating Scandal


It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes


Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case.

This is the perfect example on why I rarely do WCG work.
I'm sick of the pius and arrogant people here.

Done
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It would be nice if you would provide some basis for your opinion. rolling eyes


Please answer this -
1. If PG 'find' the secret of ALL Prime numbers, how many lives will be saved?

2. If WCG 'finds' the cure for cancer, how many lives will be saved?

I rest my case.

This is the perfect example on why I rarely do WCG work.
I'm sick of the pius and arrogant people here.

Done

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Thank you for stating all of that RaymondFO. And don't forget the encrypted communications that our/most militaries use that need to stay secret. I would guess that prime numbers have theoretically saved millions already. So, looking at it from a here and now perspective, prime numbers are way ahead of a potential and theoretical FUTURE cure for cancer. I still crunch for both, but am also sick of the pius mentality.
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Re: The PrimeGrid Cheating Scandal

So military takes a mega prime number (from PG's open database), then uses it as "salt" to encrypt the communication message from Seals team "A" to Seals team "B", and the world is safe ?

Please look at the beginning of the topic, where was said that WCG admins put heads in the sand, but wise PG guys already "solved" everything. You call this normal attitude, and once WCG-people say WCG projects are better cause they bring papers to fundamental biology field of science, that is called arrogant? Ha

C'mon guys. Just crunch happily your favorite project.
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