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...and the point I am trying to make is if you don't have a gun you cannot shoot anyone. Years ago it was sensible to have an armed 'militia' to defend your country, those were the days of hand to hand combat. Now countries fight at long range with unmanned drones etc, the need for an armed populace is old fashioned and out dated.
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the point i was attempting to make is you can not outlaw everything or you will loose your freedom of choice. Which america stands proudly behind. The sic need to be identified and contolled before such terror begins(locked up in institutions if neccessary)



You mean like abortion and gay rights? Anyway, you can't compare a guy that buys automatic weapons with a guy who who buys a knife to kill now can you? Before the guy with the gun is stopped, he will kill many people. Not to mention a guy who is stabbed has like once, usually has more chances than someone who has shot been 3 times...

You are right, anyone who wants a gun should be evaluated by the psychiatrists.
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Just to be clear, all of the damage was done with a long rifle and I believe that these are legal even in W. European countries for the purpose of hunting. .........

No they are not in UK. Only persons such as gamekeepers or pest controllers would be permitted to possess a rifle. The general public stand little chance of being able to own one. Target shooting is about the only other means of owning a rifle, and then it usually has to be kept at the rifle Club, not at home. I live in a town of about 10,000 and would expect that there would be only about 5 or even less legally held rifles in the area. Naturally there will be some illegally held pistols, but you will never stop that anywhere.

I watch a lot of UK tv and unless you are putting shotguns into their own exempt category, those are fairly common in the English countryside. How do farmers protect their chickens and other domesticated animals from predators such as foxes for example? Blow guns?

And you yourself mention in your quote the folly of EVER preventing access to illegal weapons which only serves to reinforce the final point I made.
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Shotguns and cartridge rifles are two different classes here. Rifle require a Firearms Certificate and Shot guns require a different Shotgun License. Auto shot guns are not permitted in UK.
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What about all the violence in video games, on TV and in movies that can act as trigger to the mind of unstable individuals.
Many things would need to be addressed in addition to gun control to help minimize these horrendous tragedies.
Minimize sadly being the key word because the crazed and/or disturbed copycat still can slip by undetected. sad
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What about all the violence in video games, on TV and in movies that can act as trigger to the mind of unstable individuals.
Many things would need to be addressed in addition to gun control to help minimize these horrendous tragedies.
Minimize sadly being the key word because the crazed and/or disturbed copycat still can slip by undetected. sad

I agree. These acts are horrendous deeds perpetrated by deranged lunatic individuals in random fashions we can not yet fathom. Answers to prevent these individuals from these acts are very elusive at best. Would that we could be wise enough to find them.My heart and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones.
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I don't think there's been a single reputable peer-reviewed article that has ever established a reliable connection between video game violence and real life violence.

And you realize that this was one of the main arguments against legalizing pornography as well - that is it would somehow rot the moral core of society or other similar arguments.

In fact, video game violence has about as much in common with real life violence I suspect as cartoon violence such as Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner.
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......cartoon violence such as Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner.

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I don't think there's been a single reputable peer-reviewed article that has ever established a reliable connection between video game violence and real life violence.

And you realize that this was one of the main arguments against legalizing pornography as well - that is it would somehow rot the moral core of society or other similar arguments.

In fact, video game violence has about as much in common with real life violence I suspect as cartoon violence such as Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner.



The subject is controversial. There are many factors involved. The state of one's mind, i.e., how the game is perceived by the player is paramount to the issue.
Those already predisposed to violence can possibly be affected by violent games.

Some researchers believe that while playing violent video games leads to violent actions, there are also biological influences that impact a person's choices.
According to Sean P. Neubert of Rochester Institute of Technology, a person who is biologically predisposed to aggression will be more strongly influenced
by violent scenes and thus will have a greater risk for carrying out destructive actions. For example someone with antisocial personality disorder has a
greater risk of going out and shooting someone after playing hours of Grand Theft Auto or a game of a similar nature.
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...and the point I am trying to make is if you don't have a gun you cannot shoot anyone. Years ago it was sensible to have an armed 'militia' to defend your country, those were the days of hand to hand combat. Now countries fight at long range with unmanned drones etc, the need for an armed populace is old fashioned and out dated.

Unless you're in Syria. sad
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