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Hi all!

I just got thinking...even though I assume that scientists as WCG to run their project rather than the ather way around, I still would like to post a suggestion on a Type of project I would like to see coming up here - if at all possible...

I have been reading some books on additives in food, chemicals in schampoo, skin cream, lotion, tooth paste, every day items - you name it!

And now you probably have a hint on what I was thinking...
A project that can analyze what happens with these chemicals in human cells or with proteins etc. And first and foremost - what happens when all these additives and chemicals are blended together - something that is very poorly known today.

It would be more of a prevention of (e.g.) cancer project. And results of the calculations would be possible to present to the world when they are clear so that the worst chemicals can be removed by legislation for instance.

What do you think of it? Don't know if WCG ever got any such project proposals yet but it would be one of my favorite projects I suspect...
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Hello flodisar
Reference: flodisar [Aug 21, 2012 2:43:34 PM] post

Good idea for a research project about chemical and bacteriological agents in use in everyday lives. The underlying cancer/sickness-prevention theme of the idea should be next in line as soon as we can get enough of a handle on the war against diseases which have taken the lives of a great number of people and left a lot more suffering. We need to defeat the enemy disease first before we are in a position to wipe out the enemy disease even in our day to day products. Not saying that prevention is a lost cause when war is at the front door, but knowing how the enemy disease's best shot works in taking out our loved ones powers the prevention part of what may at first appear as efforts in and about 'chasing the enemy disease at all cost'.
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Oh, ok I see, thanks for your reply!

...just thought that as we have projects like CEP (which of course is a really important science, but not aimed at a particular disease such as cancer for instance), two water projects (ok one seems to be short), and such...then I do not feel that such a project as I suggested would feel ill-timed or inappropriate with respect to the other projects.

Also, every-day chemicals is a Pandemic problem already today, while some other projects are >>still<< more or less localized. Not meaning that they cause less pain, suffering or death, but rather I mean that when we have chemicals (and lots of them) entering the bodies of practically ALL humans, every day, through the skin, with food, through the air...their effects are affecting everyone, now, and they have been doing so for quite some time.

Some even say that such every-day chemicals are the real next threat to humanity. Since many hormone-like substances are playing wildly with our reproduction systems. And if humans in 20-50 years cannot reproduce themselves, giving birth to (at least somewhat) healthy new generations...then clean energy or Schistosoma will seem as a lesser problem, given the context. Basically I mean, we do not even try to cure the already dead - because it is too late. It makes sense, so it is a lesser of a comfort knowing that we can efficiently produce clean energy, but we are genetically destroyed by chemicals and do not have a future.

And, one should also remember that prevention is often more effective And efficient, than curing an outbreak of a disease. As with computers, we have firewalls and anti-virus programmes installed for prevention, even though the computer does not have a virus. Still we let these applications consume CPU-time and other resources - because it is Worth it! Since we all know that if we only would install these when we had realized that there is a trojan installed - it would be very cumbersome to get rid of every bit of it and to restore the damage and mayhem caused may be irrepairable. This is also true for CEP project - we are aware that we (mostly) use non-clean energy sources to crunch that project, knowing that it is an investment for a better future for clean energy.


Yes, my analogies are simplified to the point of no return, but you see my point.
Seat belts, air-bags, ABS, ESP, and so on are there for a reason in cars - prevention of death/collision. So I believe there are equally good reasons for WCG to have a project examining these chemical compounds all of us are exposed to every day - and the effect of which we witness every day.

Sorry if I may sound harsh, but I am just so p***ed off, having started to read up on the subject of our every-day chemicals...and I just got the very strong feeling that we are somewhat tackling some of the problmes here in the "wrong" order. At Least there should be room for one such project, if there are scientists wanting to start it up here at WCG.
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flodisar,

just for reference - WCG team just choose, what projets to compute here among suggested by the scientists. Only if researchers approach WCG with their projects, already optimized for BOINC, can WCG guys start distributing WUs for us, crunchers. But WCG do not conduct any BOINC researches themselves.
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Re: Project suggestion...

Hi all!

I just got thinking...even though I assume that scientists as WCG to run their project rather than the ather way around, I still would like to post a suggestion on a Type of project I would like to see coming up here - if at all possible...

I have been reading some books on additives in food, chemicals in schampoo, skin cream, lotion, tooth paste, every day items - you name it!

And now you probably have a hint on what I was thinking...
A project that can analyze what happens with these chemicals in human cells or with proteins etc. And first and foremost - what happens when all these additives and chemicals are blended together - something that is very poorly known today.

It would be more of a prevention of (e.g.) cancer project. And results of the calculations would be possible to present to the world when they are clear so that the worst chemicals can be removed by legislation for instance.

What do you think of it? Don't know if WCG ever got any such project proposals yet but it would be one of my favorite projects I suspect...


I too would like to see some research done on the advantages/complications that can arise when things are combined. Maybe someone could design a project to add different strengths of a particular chemical to another and see what the outcome is? We already know that when you add 2 molecules of oxygen and 2 molecules of hydrogen you get water and if you then add some sodium to the water you get salt water. But if you add 3 molecules of hydrogen to those original same 2 molecules of oxygen you get heavy water, and it can be used in a totally different way.
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flodisar,

just for reference - WCG team just choose, what projets to compute here among suggested by the scientists. Only if researchers approach WCG with their projects, already optimized for BOINC, can WCG guys start distributing WUs for us, crunchers. But WCG do not conduct any BOINC researches themselves.

Actually, anything portable [to the supported OSses] and choppable [in small computable problems] can be put in the BOINC wrapper. WCG will to include entertain multithreaded problems, long as the "threads" is a variable that can be matched to the number of allow cores for BOINC.

But, not making a long story. What makes or could make a dangerous concoction in chemicals is a substantially ignored problem [the chemical/pharm industry guards that information thoroughly]. We know that things are now getting to us in our food and drinking water we haven't a clue of. We know that cancer and other diseases substantially impacting quality of life is on the increase, far beyond what our current diagnostic skills added [early discovery]... mostly in the westernized environments, but gradually impacting every living thing on the planet [sooth with whatever in it, dioxins e.g. from burning and powerplant smokestacks reaches everywhere]. Can this be addressed. Not until we see pandemics developing to hit humanity itself. We Were Legend, and once again primates will rule.


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We already know that when you add 2 molecules of oxygen and 2 molecules of hydrogen you get water


Not to be a nitpicker but water is H2O, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide. Maybe it was just a typo.

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We already know that when you add 2 molecules of oxygen and 2 molecules of hydrogen you get water


Not to be a nitpicker but water is H2O, H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide. Maybe it was just a typo.

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along with salt being sodium chloride, not sodium, and heavy water being D2O, while Deuterium is not equal to two Hydrogens)
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Thank you everyone for your replies!
SekeRob, exactly what I mean. And the picture you uploaded is a very good illustration of this. (Note that we are now at the rightmost character and unfortunately there are no more characters in that pic...tough).

Unfortunately I am not aware of any scientists or any scientific institution/university conducting this kind of research that I could contact in order to tell them about WCG. If any of you know, perhaps we could try to contact them?

Because I am sincerely fed up with the food producers and reseller showing us fake advertising about their "healthy" products. Like: "0% sugar, real taste", yeah really well why the **** is there Aspartame/Acesufam/Xylitol/Sorbitol and so on in there? Who said that they are better than sugar? Aspartam is proven to mutate genetic code if I am not mistaken. And for instance I read that 10% of it is tranformed into methanol in the body - yes with the prefixing "m". That alcohol which makes people blind and damages the central nervous system...yummy!

Or mononatriumglutamate in meat products, Sodium laureth suplphate in every schampoo bottle, BHT, EDTA, PPG, PEG, phenoxy ethanol, parabens (that act as female sex hormone in the body (almost) and has been found inside breast tumors) and breast milk, ftalates, triclosane...just check your schampoo bottles and lotions and skin other products for the skin for instance. If you find any of these (pretty sure you will) then you know this stuff enters your body and causes mayhem. I am disguisted by this.

So, a long story short, yes I really think there should be such a project here on WCG. So if anyone knows a team of scientists that would be interested, please contact them or let me know and I will try to do it.
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So, a long story short, yes I really think there should be such a project here on WCG. So if anyone knows a team of scientists that would be interested, please contact them or let me know and I will try to do it.
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The FDA may have to be contacted for reference information as the FDA is in the business of checking food and drug products with a view to ensure safe human consumption. Being an administration body, the FDA has a wealth of information regarding the business overview-, even perhaps the philosophy surrounding the endeavor-, of safe human consumption of those products -- reference information needed to base any approach for a proposed solution to a perceived problem within the context of the said endeavor.
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