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confused Why so few users?

Hi all. I've been on the WCG for a few years now...and using BOINC for almost 10.

Why are there only 500k WCG users? It seems extremely extremely small for the 6.5 billion humans on this planet (granted only about 1 billion have access to a computer) as well as for the great projects (curing Cancer for example) within WCG.

Doesn't WCG advertise at all?...such as maybe a 60 Minutes episode or a Discovery Channel segment...or pushing for a great article in Discover Magazine or some kids' magazine? I would think pushing it in a kids magazine (does Weekly Reader still exist?) would be a monumental success as the kids would go home and wish to track the progress on the 1-3 computers that surround them in the home as well as the classrooms. There are seemingly a lot of Facebook and individual websites that push the WCG and/or its Projects, yet still only 500k users? With the adoption of Facebook at over 800 million users, 500k is .00625%! That is not a typo. Even if we simply got 1% of 800 million users, that would be 8 million Facebook people running WCG.

So what's the issue?...why so few users? I'm astonished it's not in the millions of users...who in turn may push it to numerous millions of computers (1 at home, 1 at work, etc).

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Re: Why so few users?

Well the thing is this an IBM project so IBM could advertise. There was a cracked article that got me into this about ten days ago so articles do pop up every now and again. Most people have no idea about grid computing. SETI@home is incredibly popular so it has several million people on it.

One thing to consider is most have no idea how their comp operates hence why you got millions of zombies sending out spam since their owners let them get infested with viruses.

An issue is that there are quite a number of wcg like projects hosted by BIONIC software and people dont' realize they can do multiple projects from several of the projects. I am on ibercivis for example as well as climateprediction.net.

Another issue is that of cost for the pc a lot of people would tend to think running WCG tasks require a several thousand dollar pc while a 1000 or less custom gaming rig could do the job.

Plus a lot of comp users just browse the internet and check email both tasks that could be run while wcg is running so they don't set their comp to always run.

Education is the key issue I think in all regards. Plus as a nonprofit organization WCG doesn't have the funds to do advertising.
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Re: Why so few users?

...One thing to consider is most have no idea how their comp operates hence why you got millions of zombies sending out spam since their owners let them get infested with viruses.

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Another issue is that of cost for the pc a lot of people would tend to think running WCG tasks require a several thousand dollar pc while a 1000 or less custom gaming rig could do the job.

Plus a lot of comp users just browse the internet and check email both tasks that could be run while wcg is running so they don't set their comp to always run.

Education is the key issue I think in all regards. Plus as a nonprofit organization WCG doesn't have the funds to do advertising.


I hear what you're saying, but that doesn't address the REASON why people FAIL TO KNOW about WCG. You are listing what people do with computers...I'm talking about people who don't even know WCG exists...these are completely different topics.

Advertising does not necessarily cost money...as I mentioned, the WCG could contact numerous publications to offer an article. I read lots of magazines, and a few are technical...there are OFTEN articles about distributed/grid computing...yet SETI@Home is always the example (I used to be a SAH member but now devote my cpus towards Cancer). Where are the WCG examples? Where are the Cancer examples?

Advertising COULD cost money if they wanted to advertise on Google or in the paper or in Time Magazine...sure...but I'm talking about free "advertising" such as great websites, a 15-minute segment on Discovery Channel or a 4-page article in National Geographic/Discover/Scientific American. There is also word of mouth advertising like Facebook pages.

Why aren't there pushes from ANY of the thousands of colleges and universities in world to say "welcome Freshman...as part of your orientation we would love to talk to you for a few minutes about how you can help cure cancer..."

These ideas are not hard to think about...but WCG has been around for at least 4 years and 500k users is a joke. IBM itself has 300,000+ employees and I know for a fact that IBM does not even advertise internally via yearly emails to consider joining...even if IBM said to not user IBM machines and use only personal computers. That's a bit of a punch in the face. There's been more talk in 2 days about Watson going on Jeopardy (months before it even went on the show!) then 4 years of WCG. When Watson won, the proceeds went to WCG...you would have thought millions of people would have clicked on the link to read where IBM donated the money and out of those million, 10% would have signed up to WCG...but no. So there is definitely an "advertising" problem. IBM might as well have donated the money to feeding squirrels. I'm not sure where the $77,000 donated money actually "went" within WCG, but they couldn't have taken $10,000 and put it towards some kind of paid advertising? IBM (or other donors) couldn't have pitched in money to buy some kind of big advertising spot...say on MSN or Boston.com or NYTimes.com or some other websites or print media?

This is not an IBM rant...but I'm looking for people's opinions on why there are so few users in WCG. It seems as if there's not a single person on the WCG committee (my wording) that even ATTEMPTS to spread the word about the common good that can/will come out of WCG.
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Re: Why so few users?

Actually it's way less than 500k users.
More like 100k or so active.

All the reasons above plus the fact that some people believe the planet is overpopulated so they stay away from WCG.

ericinboston,

I believe it was 500 000 dollars and it went to several projects including HFCC, CEP2?, and an upcoming project that will be managed by the Fightaids@home team.

Edit: According to Boincstats there are 94,804 active users and 200,925 active computers.
http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=wcg&view=users
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Re: Why so few users?

https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/viewTellAFriend.do this is something that wcg provided btw so you can tell people about worldcommunitygrid. They have three tailor made emails.
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Re: Why so few users?

The main reason why people that I talk to don't want to crunch after they do know about it is:

1. Too expensive. Companies especially but not exclusively.
2. They don't trust it.
3. It will hurt my computer (over heat).
4. It slows down my computer too much (performance).
5. and yes.... "I don't care".

in that order, thank goodness. I would hate to see # 5 at the top.
I tried getting my company involved with no success.
I tried getting my friends involved with limited success.

Here an interesting one, I've got a few people involved and they went to projects that give the most points. That's another post....

The other thing that would help WCG is getting GPU computing going. The points hoarders love GPU projects and they are limited. wink

Maybe WCG should get some air time on an F1 race or something tongue
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Re: Why so few users?

IBM itself has 300,000+ employees and I know for a fact that IBM does not even advertise internally via yearly emails to consider joining
Actually, that's not quite true - as, certainly when I was on the 'inside' of Big Blue, fairly regular articles were added to newsletters - thing is, did people read/act on them (probably not). One thing IBM did (and probably still does), is via their internal software installation system, BOINC was installed ready to be activated by the individual user (under the member 'IBM' - and hence, the reason why that particular member has 30,584 devices installed against it).

Along with a lot more being done internally from IBM, externally, if we could get more computer manufacturers having BOINC pre-installed on their computers (with a 'pop-up' window explaining what it is/how to get started etc.), would help, as well as getting educational/research institutes involved (and that includes research charities etc. - how many cancer related charities are there out there, with computers not contributing to any of the cancer grid projects?).

So yes, I agree entirely, if we had even just a tiny fraction more users, we'd be able to knock a lot more science projects on the head.
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Re: Why so few users?

As Stephen Fry might be inclined to say "General Ignorance."

In the corporate world, after a fight by the IT people, you may get permission to load it. No matter how many IT people you have, no matter how many decades of experience they have, no matter how many degrees and certificates and other qualifications they have, it only takes one negative claim by the marketing manager's secretary to have the application purged. They never wanted it in the first place, because they nodded sagely but didn't understand. Any excuse will do. Understanding what it's about strictly verboten.

In the general populace, same problem. I had installed it on my aunt's machine and she had it deleted by her friend the schoolteacher who didn't understand it and didn't bother to research it. My forty years and degree in IT outranked by someone with that attitude, who is teaching children to follow in her footsteps.

Actually, it's not just General Ignorance. It's Wanton Ignorance. These people are just to besotted with their own egos that they can't admit that they just don't know - even where to seek appropriate advice. And unfortunately they don't WANT to know either. They're happy sitting in their daipers, letting the nanny-state take care of them. No incentive to explore.
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Re: Why so few users?

As Stephen Fry might be inclined to say "General Ignorance."

In the corporate world, after a fight by the IT people, you may get permission to load it. No matter how many IT people you have, no matter how many decades of experience they have, no matter how many degrees and certificates and other qualifications they have, it only takes one negative claim by the marketing manager's secretary to have the application purged. They never wanted it in the first place, because they nodded sagely but didn't understand. Any excuse will do. Understanding what it's about strictly verboten.

In the general populace, same problem. I had installed it on my aunt's machine and she had it deleted by her friend the schoolteacher who didn't understand it and didn't bother to research it. My forty years and degree in IT outranked by someone with that attitude, who is teaching children to follow in her footsteps.

Actually, it's not just General Ignorance. It's Wanton Ignorance. These people are just to besotted with their own egos that they can't admit that they just don't know - even where to seek appropriate advice. And unfortunately they don't WANT to know either. They're happy sitting in their daipers, letting the nanny-state take care of them. No incentive to explore.

I could not said it better myself...
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Re: Why so few users?

As Stephen Fry might be inclined to say "General Ignorance."

In the corporate world, after a fight by the IT people, you may get permission to load it. No matter how many IT people you have, no matter how many decades of experience they have, no matter how many degrees and certificates and other qualifications they have, it only takes one negative claim by the marketing manager's secretary to have the application purged. They never wanted it in the first place, because they nodded sagely but didn't understand. Any excuse will do. Understanding what it's about strictly verboten.

In the general populace, same problem. I had installed it on my aunt's machine and she had it deleted by her friend the schoolteacher who didn't understand it and didn't bother to research it. My forty years and degree in IT outranked by someone with that attitude, who is teaching children to follow in her footsteps.

Actually, it's not just General Ignorance. It's Wanton Ignorance. These people are just to besotted with their own egos that they can't admit that they just don't know - even where to seek appropriate advice. And unfortunately they don't WANT to know either. They're happy sitting in their daipers, letting the nanny-state take care of them. No incentive to explore.

I could not said it better myself...
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