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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
My PC freezes by fractions of seconds to sometimes 2-3 complete seconds even the projects runs on 'Low' priority, but client (boinc.exe, boincmgr.exe & boinctray.exe) runs on 'Normal', I have set 3 parts of the client to 'Low' maybe this will fix the problem but is a pin to do it everytime I start BOINC, I exit it several times a day. The lag causes all processes to stall and some apps/programs start to work wrong and finally my Win7 64-bit crashes (BSOD) after a few days of 24/7 processing. This is really annoying and I will stop participating in WCG if this can't be fixed. I need my PC reliable.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
hi again Saul,
The boinc.exe / boincmgr.exe combo really do little, but need to be at ''normal'' so they can do their control job. The one time I can think of from own experience is, when the boincmgr.exe has trouble keeping connection to boinc.exe via localhost. Often it's AV or Firewall interfering with these local [computer inter] net connections over IP127.0.0.1... they never leave the computer. The feature to employ to protect against system sluggishness is to set ''while processor usage is less than X percent" at e.g. the WCG recommended default of 50% and set "Run based of preferences". Generally you'd not need the setting when all is configured correctly... said AV/Firewall etc. Let us know and we'll dig further. --//-- P.S: You can config BOINC to suspend when you have specific heavy programs such as games loaded, or easiest, simply set BOINC to pause when you're using the system. You'd never know BOINC is there. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I would also make sure the computer is clean. Does not matter if it's a laptop or desktop, open that baby up and blow it out with clean air. Be sure to concentrate on the heat sink fins and fan blades.
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Saul...you mentioned using GPU's in other threads. Is this something you are doing when the problem occurs? If so, your GPU may be the problem. Many GPU projects can really stress the card. If you don't have proper cooling for GPU crunching (typically not stock cooling) then you may want to consider using it less or upgrading it with better cooling. Drivers may also need updated.
----------------------------------------If GPU crunching is not happening (meaning doing work somewhere other then WCG since they don't currently have GPU), then I would suggest looking at what projects you are running. I have a few systems that don't like crunching CEP2 or HPF2. In these cases, you would need to tweak your project settings and profiles. Last, make sure you also run hard drive diagnostics to make sure it is running right. I find that Western Digital's Data lifeguard software works quite well and is free. I have found failing hard drives to have these symptoms from time to time. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Thanks for the answers guys and to answer yours:
----------------------------------------- I mentioned but I'm not using my GPUs (2x ATI 4670HD 1GB DDR3-1600)I, I'm interested in using them tho. - I'm a PC tech for a living so my Firewall is well configured, my PC is relatively clean and not overheating, my 2 SATA2 HDDs pass SMART tests just fine. I searched for 'Western Digital's Data lifeguard' and found is specifically for EIDE HDDs, thx for the suggestion tho. I've noticed that only some projects cause the lag. The only way my PC is lagless is by setting the BOINC client in 'Low', 'Below Normal' gives me small lag spikes, so is not optimal. I had Folding@Home GPU and it gave me BSODs and in F@H Forum I read some guy in India at the seems had the same GPU and didn't have problems at all, so my system is not OK, but the lag started with new projects added to the WCG, started a few days ago, before that I never had lag, not even with this PC, and I built about 2 years ago AMD Phenom II X4 3.2Ghz, 2x2GB DDR3-1333, MoBo Asus M4A79XTD Evo, no overclocking. The lag is WCG-related though, I could bet is not my system, even with the small instability problem it has. As an example MPC 64-bit lags when I'm watching DXVA accelerated movies, that use only little CPU. Anyway, I'm reinstalling Win7 64-bit and I'm going for the Pro version not 'Ultimate' one, maybe is a little lighter. I have an improved AMD Cooler but I run hot anyway 60+ ÂșC so I have set the client to 60% CPU usage. The 'while computer is at least lower than x%' is not what I want, because it doesn't help much in the research. I'll let you know how things workout after the reinstallation tomorrow. Cheers. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jul 25, 2011 3:05:47 AM] |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Are you saying you are using Solid State Drives? If not, they do both PATA and SATA drives.
----------------------------------------http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=606&sid=3 And if you prefer Seagate's software: http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=...0VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD I however prefer Western Digital's ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Coleslaw at Jul 26, 2011 11:22:56 PM] |
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sk..
Master Cruncher http://s17.rimg.info/ccb5d62bd3e856cc0d1df9b0ee2f7f6a.gif Joined: Mar 22, 2007 Post Count: 2324 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Just use 3 cores rather than 4 and you should see no lag whatsoever.
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steffen_moeller
Cruncher Joined: Dec 3, 2005 Post Count: 44 Status: Offline |
My hunch is that the issue is with disk I/O, not with the CPUs. My wife and kid banned BOINC for the same symtoms. Checkpointing may be one reason. You are running many different kind of projects, so it is a bit difficult to identify the culprit, but the climate research is known for its demands and, well, ... maybe so are others.
Just temporarily (please come back to the WCG) please try Einstein@Home, which (under Linux) takes 8% of disk I/O of say FAAH as measured with iostat. And at least I would be very interested in what your experience is. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Sorry for my late response, BTW my MoBo died because I tried to take out the cooler and the CPU came off sticked to it without raising uo the CPU socket lever, anyway this Mobo is better (Foxconn A7DA-S v3.0 (2 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR3 DIMM, Audio, Video, Gigabit LAN)). I have overclocked my CPU from 3.4 to 3.6Ghz I could do 3.8 but I need a better Power Supply, the cables overheat at 3.8; maxed my 2 ATI 4670s with the latest Cats 11.10 (with 11.11 preview 3) and is all OK.
----------------------------------------@Coleslaw: I searched the site and I found only the PATA one, but anyway my 2 SATA hard drives work fine and both are the typical electromechanical ones. I didn't found @skgiven: Only 3 cores is not a good solution, is a bad patch for a bad configuration IMO. @steffen_moeller: My 2 HDDs don't have any heavy activity because of WCG, if the PC is OK WCG doesn't cause that, maybe is their security software, defragmentation utility or something else, maybe a virus, spyware or malicious rootkit. I use Avast! Home & COMODO Firewall and don't have any extra HDD activity even when I have them active because I deactivate Avast! & COMODO Defense+ for better performance when I'm not introducing/viewing new information. All projects run just fine in my PC nothing unusual at all, I found strange that you have any problems with any of them. Sorry but I won't be doing Einstein@Home. The problem I think it is BOINC related, not WCG related, when all BOINC processes ran on 'Low' priority everything was better, they should ran at least at 'Below Normal' priority to avoid this, I don't know why IBM had to make this change but it was for the worse for me. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 15, 2011 8:14:43 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The sciences have always run at "Low", never at "Below Normal" i.e IBM changed nothing.
----------------------------------------Only the core client (boinc.exe) runs at normal priority as does the boincmgr.exe (BM). As eluded, if the communication between the core client (CC) and the BM is impeded, this can have impact on the user. With port 31416 over localhost IP127.0.0.1 fully open (computer internal, not going outside) for the AV+FW, there would not be any sluggishness, but possibly for the moments when large checkpoints are stored to HD. Some notice thse checkpoints, so then the option is to let BOINC pause whilst the computer is in use. (set Activity menu "Run based on preferences"). --//-- edit: Optimally, the BM is exited when not needed. With client 6.10.58, the recommended client, the CC is left to run. This takes out any time spend interfacing between the BM and CC. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 15, 2011 9:28:17 AM] |
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