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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

I could have swore I saw you post this exact request in another BOINC project thread earlier today when I was randomly checking message boards. I think you will find one of three answers if you merely use the search function in each of the project forums you participate in.

1. We are working on it.
2. GPU's don't work with our type of computing.
3. We don't have the funding/support/expertise/time for GPU.

It's not for every project and the subject has been discussed to death. Suggesting it yet again as if it were a new topic is truly obnoxious.


Here ya go.
http://dnahome.cs.rpi.edu/dna/forum_thread.php?id=82


Found another now at POEM@home

http://boinc.fzk.de/poem/forum_thread.php?id=484
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

This is yet another thread that we have been bombed. Have you noted there are now 22 posts in the thread and the original author has not bothered to post a second time. Do these people really even care or is it just about raising an issue so we will argue about something between ourselves? Then we find out this author has been dropping a bomb in multiple projects, just to create a disturbance in the force. We can try to ignore them and wait to see if they come back to their thread a second time.
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

This is yet another thread that we have been bombed. Have you noted there are now 22 posts in the thread and the original author has not bothered to post a second time. Do these people really even care or is it just about raising an issue so we will argue about something between ourselves? Then we find out this author has been dropping a bomb in multiple projects, just to create a disturbance in the force. We can try to ignore them and wait to see if they come back to their thread a second time.


You're right astrolab.I found more posts from the original author on several other projects.
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

Yeah...I saw him do it at Cosmology too.
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I haven't seen anything on GPUs for the more common computers that will use more that 300 watts each without being overclocked - and that's often less than adding another CPU-based computer.

The new 32nm Sandy Bridge CPUs consume way less than 300 watts. My i7-2600k @ 4.5GHz. pulls only 185 watts. The 22nm Ivy Bridge due in Q1 2012 will be even more energy efficient. That being said, I know GPUs can do the work faster but the increased power consumption along with the heat and the still unknown factor of GPU durability would not convince me to switch any time soon.
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

And yet up front costs on these top of the line upcoming pieces of hardware would take how long to save money difference on the cost of a GPU? The processor alone you speak of is what a really good GPU would cost. Add the cost of the over priced motherboards to run it, it is still better to go to GPU. Low end GPU's can be found under $40 that will run in most already purchased systems. (Though won't give you quite the 7 to 10 times faster quotes from above when compared to top end processors, but also have a much less power draw. I think the GeForce 210 has a max draw of 30 watts and can be found as low as $20 after a rebate.)

So, cost per watt...CPU is more likely a cheaper loooooong term buy. Realistic cost to most people = what they can afford to buy at the time. Managing a few small $$ per month savings really doesn't translate to most people.

For those limited on tower space, GPU is better as long as their power supplies and motherboards can support the cards and they have good cooling.

Then factor in the approximated 7 to 10 times results estimates for just under double the power consumption still translates into better investment for most crunchers.

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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

Add the cost of the over priced motherboards to run it, it is still better to go to GPU

I guess that depends on what you consider overpriced. The board I use cost $129 USD. biggrin I know we could debate the merits of our points of view forever. They each have pluses and minuses. Until the time comes that WCG offers GPU crunching the debate is ?????
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

That is true. Right now the debate should be about whether it is reasonable for them to "waste time and money" or not on development. I think as long as they developed it so that even the low end GPU capable cards worked, then it is worth it. Like I mentioned above....most people can afford a $20 video card for their computer that could outperform many of the single processor systems they are still running. I have 3 sitting here that contribute elsewhere that I would rather have crunching here.
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

Since this thread has drifted a little bit, I'd like to go OT for a question.

My "newest" desktop is a Prescott P4 3.0 on an Asus P5GDC MoBo (based on 915 chipset). It has a Nvidia 7800GT card that is not supported by BOINC (or any kind of GPU processing other than games). Any suggestion of a newer video card that could make this old system more useful, of course in another BOINC project for the time being and in WCG in a possible future?
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Re: Seti is 10 times faster with Cuda, why not World community Grid ?

That really depends on the $$$ you want to spend on the upgrade and of course whether or not you care about the electric cost too. Then what project you plan on using it for can also make a difference on whether you go nVidia or ATI.

Edit: For example, the GeForce 8400GS and the 210 are pretty close to the same in price and performance. From what I have read, the 8400GS has a higher theoretical performance (but only slightly) over the 210, but the 210 use approximately 9 watts less of max power. Both of them cost relatively the same. Both of these are also among the lowest of the CUDA capable cards which also means less results compared to more expensive options.

Edit2: Also keep in mind what power supply you have currently and whether your upgrade will require one with a higher rating.
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