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awalt
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jul 9, 2008 Post Count: 54 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The system dopes not seem to recover until I do a reboot. And I have thought it could be a MS update, there were about 5-6 updates that came down last week.
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z2000
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2011 Post Count: 116 Status: Offline |
I have done prior date restorations in the past but I don't know too much about this or Windows 7.
----------------------------------------Did you try only one science at a time? ![]() |
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awalt
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jul 9, 2008 Post Count: 54 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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No I didn't. I have lost almost a day fighting this issue, for now I disabled the service and startup programs (there are two). If someone knows what's going on that would be great, otherwise I really don't have the time to just trying guessing what the problem could be. At least the problem is documented, I have never seen a late model computer bogged down as bad as this - fan on high and the look of Windows 2.1...
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7851 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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4/30/2011 7:05:49 AM World Community Grid General prefs: from World Community Grid (last modified 31-Dec-1969 19:00:01 ) The running at high priority has nothing to do with your slowdown. The wcg tasks will normally use 100% of your cpu when running unless you have throttled them back. the high priority is a function of the BOINC scheduler which does not think you will finish your cached tasks by the deadline. I did notice this odd date in your entries. I do not know where it came from as your system date appears fine. My inclination on why your system is running slow is it is overheating the cpu and throttling itself back. However, it makes no sense that it returns to normal operation if you kill the BOINC service, but not the tasks. You could try suspending all the tasks and leaving the service up and then check PerfMon or taskmonitor to see what is eating all your cycles. Gradually enable tasks to see what process is the culprit. Hope some of this helps. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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z2000
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2011 Post Count: 116 Status: Offline |
Yes, Sgt.Joe, and I might add that as you start adding tasks, keep them to one science only.
----------------------------------------Speaking of the date, is the time correctly set on the laptop, and the battery good? (One of my old PCs balked a little, until the time was correctly set, the battery was on empty.) Good internet speed? According to Bios, what is the memory speed? On mine it also lets you know if the memory it optimized, Asynchronous, Interlaced, or something. Hard disk defragmented? Does Win7 have an easy button to set computer for optimum performance over appearance? Is 16 Gigabytes of virtual memory not a little way too much? The cpu is only 2GHz and the cache is only 256K ...just noting things (For when there's further time to troubleshoot) ![]() [Edit 5 times, last edit by z2000 at May 1, 2011 1:55:28 AM] |
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z2000
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Feb 27, 2011 Post Count: 116 Status: Offline |
Also, this just reminded me...
----------------------------------------The last time my computer (just yesterday ) hesitated, it had to do with my wireless usb stick. I connected two twin computers together in a network, and was still using the usb wireless stick for the internet source until I joined the computers, and now they both run off the wall. It just happened to remind me that I did notice the computer was so frozen at one point, until I pulled the usb stick out and then reconnected it after a moment. It's hardwired now. Sorry this could be off topic, hopefully your installed devices are well driven and in good order. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by z2000 at May 1, 2011 2:26:21 AM] |
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Former Member
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Well it took about 7 hours of running but now my laptop is slower than molasses. It's running on only 4 of 8 CPUs, 60% of the time. CPU usage (all threads not just mine) ranges between 20% - 55%, memory usage is 35% of physical memory. 4 tasks are waiting to report, 2 running, 2 running high priority. Sorry to say, but with these numbers, bionc running or not, the system Should not be slow, what is happening to the other 80-45% CPU and 65% memory that makes it unavailable and therefore boggs the system????? The numbers just don't add up, SOMETHING is running to use these resources, and as you say boinc is running, and included, (causing the slow down) it must be elsewhere. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 1, 2011 6:59:47 AM] |
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awalt
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jul 9, 2008 Post Count: 54 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I have looked through each one, the only one that's not an issue or has not been investigated by me is the point that a single science at a time could be checked. I can guarantee you it's not out of CPU or memory cycles, I have checked that thoroughly. The 1969 date is very odd.
To me, it looks like what Sgt. Joe says - the system starts really cranking up (maybe due to the 1969 date? Bug in one of the projects?), overheats the CPU, fan comes on, CPU is throttled way back, and I have a slow system. That seems to be the only thing that would explain how slow it is but CPU and memory performance are fine. The only thing new on my PC are the Windows updates, it will be interesting to see if others experience this. If you realize that I ran WCG totally cranked up for over a year on this laptop (8 tasks, 60% of the time, etc.), without a hitch, something is very different now. |
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Former Member
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awalt,
----------------------------------------With Windows 7, when looking in Task Manager there may be a button, left bottom, to show all processes for all users. The 65,000 dollar question being if it's any of the WCGxxx science apps eating CPU time or boinc.exe OR boincmgr.exe. The WCG apps of course take any spare cycle, but latter 2 should not but are known to go rampant on CPU time and or memory for some, myself having observed that in past times [AT VERY RARE OCCASIONS]. Both should not, and use only few minutes a day, at worst a quarter of an hour, if the BOINC manager is kept expanded on screen and little to nothing if the interface is closed or only showing as systray icon. Your log shows that BOINC is installed as service, so Task Manager must be run as admin, or that ''show all'' button has to be operated in TM to see everything. You can add columns to TM to shows total accumulated CPU time per app and service, then sort them on that column so you can see which are the big consumers. Unless it is boinc or boincmgr or a wild gone boinc science graphic gone zombie, concur with fredski, that something less benign or heavy is running. Disk and memory diagnosis could eliminated those elements as outside chance sources [and an aggressive AV, but that often leads to tasks actually failing]. Let us know. ttyl --//-- PS, as to reducing temps and keeping fans in check: Suggest to fetch TThrottle [written specially for BOINCing] and set a temp ceiling, mine set to 65C. Then on Windows XP > 7, it will automatically slow down the BOINC science apps... only the science apps, AND any other app you program it to slow down that eats lots of CPU time, when it's hot. edit: added the bold text for emphasis :D [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at May 1, 2011 11:31:07 AM] |
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awalt
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jul 9, 2008 Post Count: 54 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have been clicking show all processes. The BOINC threads are not taking excessive cycles, but I havve done a dozen tests where turning off the BOINC service stops the problem.
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