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5TEVE
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Re: I made a new forum signature.

Hi 5TEVE, your signature is ready:
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Have fun!


Thanks SNURK ... STE\/E
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Can I please get one of your signatures.
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Hi Snurk - just a thought - it's actually Total Run Time that's the measure of your contribution - regardless of whether it's across 20 projects or only 2 projects. Maybe the globes should be allocated for 15d, 45d, 90d, 180d, 1y, 2y Total Run Time. confused
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Re: I made a new forum signature.

Hi Snurk - just a thought - it's actually Total Run Time that's the measure of your contribution - regardless of whether it's across 20 projects or only 2 projects. Maybe the globes should be allocated for 15d, 45d, 90d, 180d, 1y, 2y Total Run Time. confused

Because then all the fun of updating your globe will be gone after only 2 years run time. You for instance would be stuck with the same globe for the last 23 years.
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I agree, that IS cool, but that would be the first signature feature that would require me to keep a database of historical data for all signature owners, as the recent run time average is not readily available, in contrast to the recent avarage points (that converts to GFlops), which is available in the export files.
I may be tempted to have a go at this one day, but I have to find a solution for data that goes missing in the database because of days that the signature script fails, for whatever reason, to collect the data.

SNURK

Misschien ben ik niet wakker of denk te simpel, but IMO you already have the data without maintaining an own database.
You need the membership duration -> you have (today - join date)
You need and have runtime
Sek's suggestion if I understood Rob right: Runtime / (today - join date)
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Runtime/project is the basis for the globes. Anyone that has 2 years/project, sapphire globe, with the present 20 sciences/phases can directly relate and know that the total contribution is at least 40 run time years at that time. RaulBonegio is a current easy example. 1.25 x 20 is 25. Or 25 / 1.25 is 20. Or 25 / 20 is 1.25. The one secret in the sig is how much the mean daily runtime days are... maybe a feature suggestion, to compute same as Gflops an running average of last 30 days... but we don't want to lay all nerves bare ;>)

I agree, that IS cool, but that would be the first signature feature that would require me to keep a database of historical data for all signature owners, as the recent run time average is not readily available, in contrast to the recent avarage points (that converts to GFlops), which is available in the export files.
I may be tempted to have a go at this one day, but I have to find a solution for data that goes missing in the database because of days that the signature script fails, for whatever reason, to collect the data.

Thanks though, for reanimating this idea. biggrin

Oh yeah, here are the latest sigs:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/wcgsig/95236.gif ; hunterc
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af195/wcgsig/783354.gif ; 8cbx

SNURK

My thinking would be that if you retain the daily export for 30 days and take the newest and one nearest the 30 day mark, take run time difference and divide by days between those 2 exports, you'd have a fair mean. For the starters you could accept to just use that formula or test join date against last export date to see if less than 30 days, and use that as an avarager... molto complicato ;?

As I commented in the ''Going under...'' and "Building 600 TFL machine" threads, [we] may have to review if to stick to the old 100 Cobblestones per GFL for performance indicating, or go the new BOINC 200 Cobblestones/GFL. For the moments the credits have though not at all doubled [to what SETI gives per second, but including their GPU credits] per the new server 7 credit system. We used to run 1.59 TFL per year and after few days on new system it's 1.806/year, so holding off for a little to maybe when we get GPU contributions running at WCG. Anticipating, but not overly, that this will lift credit substantially [not having been allowed to sniff the tech kitchen at all how the credits will be approached for that part. Time will though remain time as I understand 1 day GPU is 1 day runtime as clocked by the CPU elapsed, meaning the term Runtime has to remain and is not clean CPU time or GPU time [GPU's do not understand the time concept, which is why Elapsed it taken]

To everyone else... plz leave this TFL/GFL/Runtime exchange to SNURK and Me.... wanting to make sure we coordinate any sig performance numbers with what's shown in the supplemental charts. SNURK, if you want to break this out to separate thread from this one or take it off-line to mail, please do.

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Misschien ben ik niet wakker of denk te simpel, but IMO you already have the data without maintaining an own database.
You need the membership duration -> you have (today - join date)
You need and have runtime
Sek's suggestion if I understood Rob right: Runtime / (today - join date)


Well, that particular value you don't even need to calculate since it is displayed on the My Grid page ("Avg. Run Time Per Calendar Day") and is also contained in an individual member's XML stats file (see /MemberStats/MemberStat/StatisticsAverages/RunTimePerDay).

If I understand correctly, SNURK and SekeRob talk about something like Recent Average Runtime (similar to RAC, only using runtime instead of credits). Which is a lot more meaningful IMHO. For example my own total average runtime is a bit above 1.5 CPU days per calendar day, but I added another core in January which results in my recent average runtime being more in the range of 2.5 to 2.6 CPU days per calendar day.

And I imagine especially the old-timers who started out years ago with only very few cores and are now running squads of quads or six or even more cores will note a similar disparity between these two values. wink
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Misschien ben ik niet wakker of denk te simpel, but IMO you already have the data without maintaining an own database.
You need the membership duration -> you have (today - join date)
You need and have runtime
Sek's suggestion if I understood Rob right: Runtime / (today - join date)


Well, that particular value you don't even need to calculate since it is displayed on the My Grid page ("Avg. Run Time Per Calendar Day") and is also contained in an individual member's XML stats file (see /MemberStats/MemberStat/StatisticsAverages/RunTimePerDay).

If I understand correctly, SNURK and SekeRob talk about something like Recent Average Runtime (similar to RAC, only using runtime instead of credits). Which is a lot more meaningful IMHO. For example my own total average runtime is a bit above 1.5 CPU days per calendar day, but I added another core in January which results in my recent average runtime being more in the range of 2.5 to 2.6 CPU days per calendar day.

And I imagine especially the old-timers who started out years ago with only very few cores and are now running squads of quads or six or even more cores will note a similar disparity between these two values. wink

What marvey11 said.
Indeed an all time average is readily available, but I think that value is of little interest. Only a recent (say 30 days) average would be interesting to add to the signature in my opinion.
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marvey11, RAC, RAR ;>), and the new client/server system 7 also has REC [Recent Earned Credit I think it means]

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I agree, that IS cool, but that would be the first signature feature that would require me to keep a database of historical data for all signature owners, as the recent run time average is not readily available, in contrast to the recent avarage points (that converts to GFlops), which is available in the export files.
I may be tempted to have a go at this one day, but I have to find a solution for data that goes missing in the database because of days that the signature script fails, for whatever reason, to collect the data.


SNURK, there might even be an alternative to keeping historical data for individual users. You could calculate the recent average runtime in the same way that the RAC is calculated. In that case you need store only the current value for the recent average runtime and the timestamp when this value was last calculated.

I already do this in my own suite of statistics scripts and it works quite well. For the implementation of the algorithm I used the article in the Unofficial BOINC Wiki for the Recent Average Credit and adapted the formulae to use runtime seconds instead of credits. It's even possible to simplify the formulae if you know in advance that you're only updating the data exactly once a day (which you're currently doing anyway).

There's one drawback, however: if your own data gets somehow corrupted, there's no way to recalculate the current value if you do not store historical data. You would have to start from scratch in that case.
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