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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
This has been an OCD worry of mine for a long time, and moreso now since I focused on HFCC and discovered that it was now a consistent problem with every single result:
HFCC_ n1_ 00490732_ n1_ 0001_ 0-- 8/11/10 14:03:38 8/14/10 08:25:32 4.50 80.0 / 70.4 As the last column clearly shows, my system is getting short-changed on every single result it completes; it never gets the claimed credit, and the loss is substantial. Why? ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hello VulcanTourist,
You have a small but consistent discrepancy. The question is -- what on your system is causing it? I suggest you give a complete description of your system, including BOINC version so that we know how it is computing credit (varies with different versions) and then study your running tasks on Task Manager or some other software monitor. Anything but the Idle Op will take priority over BOINC. This sort of problem can take a lot of information to track down. Lawrence |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Your reply confuses me, because BOINC will know exactly how many clock cycles each work unit has received, so it should not matter how many other processes interrupt them or how often: the accounting is not affected by those interruptions.
No, I think this must have more to do with my machine's capability either exceeding or failing to meet that average used to decide what is granted. It's a system I built myself with an Asus AM2 motherboard, M2N-SLI Deluxe, but which has had BIOS upgrades supporting newer AM2+ and even AM3 CPUs. It currently uses a Phenom X4 9850 AM2+ overclocked a bit to 2.8GHz, and has 4GB of DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) RAM. It's still running Windows XP. I'm using WCG BOINC Manager v6.10.18, although I'm upgrading to 6.2.28 as I write this; I had already downloadedlong ago but forgot to execute the upgrade. (Why is there still not auto-updating for BOINC?) In terms of background processes, uTorrent consumes the most cycles behind WCG work units, but it's at least a full two orders of magnitude less (meaning trivial by comparison). The cycles consumed by other processes trails off dramatically past that. This is the BOINC benchmark result, run with the usual suite of background processes (to represent its real daily capability): Number of CPUs: 4 2831 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 6058 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I just experienced some problems with the BOINC upgrade. Was it really an upgrade, or did I just do a DOWNgrade? It locked up the shell and Explorer and forced me to reboot, at which point BOINC wasn't running and the installation had failed; I had to "repair" it. I am now running 6.2.28, and it seems to have continued with the same work units. The benchmark results are virtually the same, BTW.
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nasher
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Dec 2, 2005 Post Count: 1423 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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there could be tons of reasons you are getting short points...
----------------------------------------I am assuming this is the same computer. is there anything on your computer that could be takeing processer time... comptuer game or such... that might be makeing your time show up higher and your resultant results. alother question i have is do you have a good MALWARE/ anti-V checker... you might have some Malware that is being sneaky and steeling your cycles when you are not looking. when you crunch other WCG tasks do you see the same discrepancy or is it more 1:1 on the results. it also could be something silly like you have 4 CPU's... are you crunching 4 of the same type of WU's... it has happened in the past that running more than 1 of the same type of WU has slowed the resultant process speed down. solution you might try is 1) grab some sets of 4 diffrent types of project 2) have your computer running each of the 4 projects 1 type per cpu 3) check to see if your points improve ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
As I hinted in my first post, I've always seen a degree of short-changing, I think regardless of project, but when I recently narrowed my focus to HFCC for a while (to "catch up") it was then that I noticed this completely consistent short-changing going on. No, there's no mal-ware involved, and as I said uTorrent is the only process that comes even close to competing for cycles, and its usage is a fraction of 1% compared to BOINC. Each core is in fact running a separate work unit; I don't know if you mean something different when you said "type" of work unit. In any case I don't have any control over that until I revert to work for all the projects. That will happen in a few weeks, most likely.
I have no intention of working on other projects right now because, as I said, I have a specific reason for focusing on HFCC and I already know what the results look like for other projects, still often short-changed but not *always* so. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7849 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have at least two machines which consistently underclaim, not all of the time, but more often than not. Long ago and far away in some other thread, there were details of the many reasons this happens. If I recall correctly, one of the main reasons was the benchmarks were were over claiming the capabilities of the machine, thus when the results were compared with the over claiming benchmark, they did not measure up, therefore the credit given was less than claimed. One machine is an AMD 2000+ and the other is an Intel Q6600, both stock.
----------------------------------------Trying to figure out exactly why they are not being given claimed credit is an interesting intellectual exercise, but the real bottom line is the work units are getting crunched and they are consistently valid. The points are fun, but just try to buy a cup of java with them. Good luck. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I'll bet I can manage a cup of JavaScript with them....
I just have to quit ever looking at the Results Status. I rarely do, and that's when I start obsessing over this. Out-of-sight-out-of-mind works pretty well for me. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Specific to HFCC (and FAAH), can offer 2 things to try and improve the closeness of claim and grant:
----------------------------------------1. Get the Process Lasso utility (only Windows) and set the zero redundancy science apps to process at 'Below Normal', where the default is 'Idle' priority. I'm changing it on Linux from Nice 19 to Nice 6 and get better grant. 2. Cache up more than a day of work and start BOINC scheduled networking to connect only 1 hour per day or more/less depending on the daily throughput and result upload/download MB volume. Ethernet traffic and WIFI sucks considerable juice which affects the mini[calibration/reference]tests inside these work units during the beginning and end phase which when the network is active always coincides with uploading. Don't ask me to explain... works for me.
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Former Member
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Once you've ruled out anything else taking up CPU time, the simplest answer usually is, the machine does better with the BOINC benchmark than it does with the actual science. The benchmark is a general test of the machines capabilities, it does not always reflect its real world capability to crunch WCG science.
My machines all overlcaim as well, but I blame it on the fact they all have 64 bit OS's and a 64 bit BOINC client. |
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