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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Otherwise, where's the fire?
1. Would using this option shorten the number of fpop for the WU (including child... of) ?
2. Would this reduce the number of WU (or child... of) classed as Error?
3. Would this reduce the risk of a WU (or child... of) being in Error?
4. Would this shorten the elapsed time needed to validate the WU?
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

1. It would shorten the fpops used for the project!
2. The number of errors does not play in, if at all think it statistically would even decreased. It's very low already since the results are very well capable to resume/restart from last checkpoint.
3. Follows 2.
4. Irrelevant... the Let it Rip devices would be matched, AND the device owners are motivated to do this faster at that.... opt-in.

And WCG schedulers prefer to have less rather than more PV results 2 monsters are good for 10-20 of the standard size, those who've opted in not really jumping up and down on the Where's my credit... maybe initially at the novelty.

Now, let me check my CPDN task... yes, it's into it's 101st hour and been on the machine since 3 months, doing a little every day... 200 more hours to go. The confidence is very high it will finish before Dec.25, 2010... I've opted to contribute to that project for a little since I don't see ACAH2 ever materializing.
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Jean, anytime a wingmen to your speed-daemon results does cut-off at 6 hours or 12 hours, part of your task, be it run in less or more than the standard 6 hours, but doing all positions, is discarded. I see it frequently, the non-perfect match.
Hey, I have not said that this feature would be useless I said that I don't need it for running to completion in the quad and that I am not interested with 24-hour WUs in the P4. And since I obviously missed the 24-hour WUs part in your opening post, now I say that I woukl not use this option in the quad either if it results in WUs too long for my preference.

Regarding your example:
1. it's my wingman who would need to have checked the option, not me
2. In the current situation the device matching works pretty well and very often the other WU has finished before mine, and complete too, of course. So, no loss.

All that said, if the staff wants to develop this option it's fine with me.
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Since these 'unrestricted' runtime jobs would only be paired to devices that have the option selection, you would then never be confronted with them... ~24 hours was just a suggestion, even if running A-Type length on the duo of 67 hours would be fine to me. The error rate is minute, the very idea that not a single position is discarded makes me to select such an option. The pairing is not perfect, whatever you're observing on your particular device, those that manage the parents to run full time in a quorum not very high, at least that's what I see on my stock quad.

Mind you, the techs can assess best how the remaining 80 percent of the project will run. Can't say to see anything lighter to have shown in the last 10 received... all parents, most not getting past 6 hours, thus the knowledge that a portion is discarded of my of the wingman's result and that just sits not right for me and others... I prefer 100% return if it can be done.

World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0355-CASQ1A.clustersOccur-2O72_A.clustersOccur_56_41221_41438 04:57:16 (04:45:54) 27-03-2010 15:44 27-03-2010 15:44 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0373-1I7X_C.clustersOccur-2EU9_A.clustersOccur_59 06:11:39 (06:00:04) 27-03-2010 19:22 27-03-2010 19:22 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0370-IREB1A.clustersOccur-1Y2O_A.clustersOccur_319 06:14:58 (06:00:19) 28-03-2010 19:29 28-03-2010 19:29 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0370-1IBC_B.clustersOccur-1N4K_A.clustersOccur_1 06:14:33 (06:00:01) 28-03-2010 21:40 28-03-2010 21:40 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0370-IREB1A.clustersOccur-1DFC_B.clustersOccur_65 06:06:47 (06:00:00) 29-03-2010 00:20 29-03-2010 00:20 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0370-IREB1A.clustersOccur-1YRP_A.clustersOccur_36 06:02:33 (06:00:12) 29-03-2010 04:05 29-03-2010 04:06 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0373-1I7X_C.clustersOccur-2P1M_B.clustersOccur_410 06:06:24 (05:51:50) 30-03-2010 23:10 30-03-2010 23:11 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0375-1I7X_A.clustersOccur-1WQ6_A.clustersOccur_21 06:06:43 (06:00:01) 01-04-2010 11:10 01-04-2010 13:09 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0375-1I7X_A.clustersOccur-1R4M_B.clustersOccur_2 06:07:48 (06:00:02) 01-04-2010 13:37 01-04-2010 13:40 Reported: Ok
World Community Grid 6.14 hcmd2 CMD2_0375-1I7X_A.clustersOccur-1R5S_A.clustersOccur_16 06:08:00 (06:00:01) 01-04-2010 17:13 01-04-2010 17:29 Reported: Ok

Anyway, members could give their yes/no, which time has now expired.
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Hello Sekerob
Anyway, members could give their yes/no, which time has now expired.
Expired? Does that mean that crunchers can no longer say "Aye" if an Aye is what the cruncher wants?

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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

andzgrid, 'Aye', which was asked for is still welcome. [ot]'Oye, Oye' I've never looked up, but it's heard in the US American Supreme Court probably spelled as Oyez as in O Yes :D[/ot]
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" [OPTION] for HCMD2?

Hello WCG.

Reference: Sekerob [Feb 22, 2010 1:17:32 PM] root post

My short answer:
The premises under Sekerob's root post is clear enough for me. I say "Aye" -- the premises of which -- is detailed under the 'My long answer' section below.

My long answer:
I would like to see Sekerob's option implemented. It sits well with the idea of project-specific settings, which I think would be a good thing for both WCG and crunchers going forward. In turn, I see project-specific settings as an implementation of what I see as where the world, in general, is heading:optimization.

I use the carManufacturer-carBuyer scenario. Because a carManufacturer wants to capture as large a market as possible, it makes sense that both transmission types (manual, and automatic) in cars be produced and made available for the carBuyers. It may be a matter of debate if an automaticTransmission is any more efficient (in many respects and not just in fuel consumption) than a manualTransmission.

Sekerob's idea (with regards to what the option is, as opposed to the idea of an option itself) may be associated with either type of transmission, and I sure would like WCG -- the carManufacturer as it were -- to produce the other type of transmission, and make the choice available to crunchers.

Now, two 'forces' come into play: the 'chicken-and-egg' (who came first: the chicken or the egg?), and what I refer to as the 'implementable-desirable' (If a thing can be done, one may desire it, otherwise what's the point?). Why would WCG make the other transmission type if there is little or no demand for it? But how would WCG get a true picture of what the demand may be if there's not even a prototype produced which carDrivers can test-drive? The lock is complete.

To break through, we need people who would rather play the quarterback than a defensive lineman; people who tend to see the 'half-full' side of things and next want to develop the good things to their fullest, rather than those who tend to see the 'half-empty' side of things and next want to shoot down almost anything if only to drag things back to the status quo for the better or for the worse. I think Sekerob would make for a good quarterback to lead an offense and carry the concept through the very tough defense presented by pessimism, mental inertia, corporate inertia, tech difficulties, if-it-aint-broke-don't-fix-it thinking, I-don't-care-what's-happening-outside-of-my-house types, the non-believers, and the like as well as tricks the defense may pull up from time to time. Are you up to the task Sek? Give us a touchdown. I say go for it. I say "Aye".

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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Sek wrote:
Extremely simplified, 2 HCMD2 tasks meet, one does 400 positions in 6 hours, the other 600 positions in 6 hours, neither 2 doing the full load nor has reached 60% of total positions in the task. 400 are used, the part for which quorum exists. Extra credit is given also to the faster machine for the extra 200, BUT these other 200 are repackaged and send out again in a child result as absolute quorum for each position is required.
Are the extra 200 positions returned by the faster machine thrown out (i.e. wasted) or retained to obtain the quorum with the newly created WUs?

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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

both new wu will start with pos 401 to end
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Re: How many would be OK with a "Let it Rip" option on HCMD2?

Given up on the idea, just wonder what kind of parents this grandchild had to put up with to do the remaining 41% (or the excess to 12 hours) in 4 minutes ;o)
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