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Re: DDDT2 Project Recognition Thread

<=== It's Ruby Tuesday. biggrin

Perfect timing. wink
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No, I'm saying nothing of the kind. You already self diagnosed that because there is no work requesting, there is no reporting, nor there is any immediate need as there is not any form of deadline threat. When you don't change your cache the work requests are combined with the RtR reporting... 1 scheduler transaction instead of 2... be it 0.5 day cache of 5 day cache.

cost: well, you've only scratched the surface... there's this odd thought that came across from the US: What's for free does not cost and when it was planned to cost it would not cost... soft dollars he called it. Had me astounded. Anyway, I had it bookmarked for those interested: http://www.romwnet.org/dasblogce/PermaLink,gu...61-a883-18ffad817094.aspx ... sorry, it was scenario one costing 11 dollars, the more optimized costing $3.40, Inflation has since moved 4 years on. The spiel closed off with:
So be kind to your project(s), let BOINC report the results in batches. The project admin's will be able to support more people and more machines with the same hardware.

The last line is the important one, no matter how cheap it comes. (to IBM about several millions US annual).


Yes I admit it takes a few extra seconds when reporting anytime...

my point was if i have a .1 day cache it will report every work unit almost imedatly cause it needs more work... but if i have 5 days of WU's caches it will hold them for a while (like you said 24 hours at most?)

how the argument went on the link you gave.. if everyone had a day + cache it would be alot less resorces used by the system (since it auto reports daily basicaly)...

in my opinion its a sugestion that we all cache 1+ days of work..

the dollar value that was put there was to make it look big to people who dont have much knoledge of sql servers when honestly you are talking about a second or so at most.. asumeing non optimized.

if we are running close to the limit with the WCG servers i am more than happy to make sure my computer have at least a .5 day cache so they only comunicate 2x a day or so instead of 5-6 times a day with a .1 cache.

back to topic..
yea the rain is still comming
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the dollar value that was put there was to make it look big to people who dont have much knoledge of sql servers when honestly you are talking about a second or so at most
You may be missing the point which is that there are about 89,000 active users today. If each of them do a manual update several times each day, that makes the servers work much more than if you keep you hands to yourself. You do the math: 89,000 times just .1 second each = 2.472 hours just to acknowledge the last update request.

Plus you are wrong about the 5 day cache. The client will auto update when the cache falls below 5 days. If you are currently crunching 6 hour WU, then the auto update will normally run about 4 times per day, all without you intervening and stressing the servers.

Hence Sekerob's fervent request: Step away from the Update button.
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My bug badge 2 also turned red. With 139 IP and 198 PV I should make some reasonable progress towards Green, especially if I keep picking up tasks. GL
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nasher, work requests are almost always before the RtR... backfill of cache / supplying new work has higher priority than clearing RtR, so sequentially:

- Cache-up
- Nearing point where job is finishing so new cache-up
- Work completes and uploads
- 1 RtR sits there
- Nearing point where job is finishing so new cache-up, and oh, yes good time to report the RtR.
- Work completes and result files upload
- 1 new RtR sits there
- Suddenly, extra long job, finishes and cache inflates and is now worth 6 days
- Work completes and result files upload
- 1 RtR still sits there and not 24 hours old and new one is added, now 2 sit there.
etc etc etc

Communication is not merely limited to setting the cache. You also need to set the Connect Every X days and of course set the Activity Menu to "Network according preferences", else when a intertube line is there, the client will just do what it does and assumes it's always allowed to work through the report/fetch sequence, making sure enough work is there to meet His Crunchship's wishes.

WCG default is 0.1 connect and 0.3 days buffer last I looked. Reviewing the statistics, I think this extended outage took out quite a bit of production, so common sense is that Murphy may always visit again and WCG exclusive crunchers would thus do well to pump the cache up a bit. My semi regular pref is 0.9 days. Never run on empty and the new client 6.10.x backup project function only going out to alternate projects with a zero weight setting until the cache is really bone dry. I've got 3 because neither of these have a constant supply of work.

ON topic, 88:16 hours per midday stats and 76 hours in PV... Ruby Tuesday is still some months away... first some blue approach goals to fill to at least bring all the researches to a point if when a 30 day end is announced the ability is there to flip the switch and get to that target well within that time...within 15 calendar days is the target. Limited resources require turning on 'managed' crunching silly
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well my situation is slightly difrent.
i put my cache up to 5 days to grab enough WU's for silver expecting not to be able to get to silver this way otherwise

once i got my cache to the point i calculated i was definatly over silver with my cache i reduced my cache back to normal about .3 days. because of that when i woke up this morning i had 12+ hours of work units RtR stacked up (9 WU's on the one computer) and it hadent connected yet. i didnt realize there was a 24 hour report automatic think i though it wasnt going to report till it wanted more work units and since i am draining my cache back to normal size (will probably be there thursday/friday) i was worrird that they would sit waiting till then.

On topic : 25 days 10 hours comp. 94 hrs PV ~200 WU in cache so i will definatly make silver with what i have (and will complete before deadline on WU's)

my problem is i am a meddler.. and a fiddler.. there are adjustment controls so i end up playing with them. I didnt think the WU's would still be flowing so i grabed a BIG chunk and hoped i had enough for Silver. If i had known they would still be comming i probaly wouldnt have fiddled with my cache and just let them come as i am used to getting them.
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Based on the flows recorded for past 6 days I'd say we'll be seeing non stop supply at this pace for at least the next 10-14 days.

12th 4306
13th 13723
14th 18013
15th 20229
16th 26851
17th 28434 (projected)

That's 111,000 validated (for 36 CPU years), and another half in PV (big thumb). How much in client caches is anybody's guess, for the techs to know. Uplinger wrote in that he's releasing additionally 2x83,000 which then also comes with about 4-5% in make-ups. In all should things dry up with this ts run, we'll probably have done 125-150 CPU years worth, very ballpark. As for 'ts', don't know if the full sweet is run to simulate a complete target. Very slowly we're creeping towards the million results as was forecasted for a single target.

Sit back, relax, DDDT2 is not going away.
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Got Silver. Almost enough in PV for Gold. Hoping to get at least Ruby, now. C'mon WUs, keep coming :)
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Based on the flows recorded for past 6 days I'd say we'll be seeing non stop supply at this pace for at least the next 10-14 days.

12th 4306
13th 13723
14th 18013
15th 20229
16th 26851
17th 28434 (projected)

That's 111,000 validated (for 36 CPU years), and another half in PV (big thumb). How much in client caches is anybody's guess, for the techs to know. Uplinger wrote in that he's releasing additionally 2x83,000 which then also comes with about 4-5% in make-ups. In all should things dry up with this ts run, we'll probably have done 125-150 CPU years worth, very ballpark. As for 'ts', don't know if the full sweet is run to simulate a complete target. Very slowly we're creeping towards the million results as was forecasted for a single target.

Sit back, relax, DDDT2 is not going away.


I do not know that I agree with you that there is a "non-stop" supply!

I am getting the following message frequently on my 20 Windowss machines:


8/17/2010 4:24:10 PM World Community Grid Message from server: No work can be sent for the applications you have selected
8/17/2010 4:24:10 PM World Community Grid Message from server: No work is available for Discovering Dengue Drugs - Together - Phase 2 (Type A)
8/17/2010 4:24:10 PM World Community Grid Message from server: You have selected to receive work from other applications if no work is available for the applications you selected
8/17/2010 4:24:10 PM World Community Grid Message from server: Sending work from other applications



It looks like only 50% of the time I am getting DDDT2 WUs even though I only have DDDT2 as the only project selected.

On the other hand, for my 5 Ubuntu machines with CEP2 selected as the only project, 100% of the WUs are CEP2.
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Ruby Wednesday!
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