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I was running folding@home hosted by Stanford University, but gave it up for the gird project yesterday. Does anyone know if this protein folding project is related to that or if they share information?
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I used to run folding@home earlier and I switched to this one, but I am thinking of switching back to folding@home as the grid agent software is just not up to the mark yet compared to the one given out by folding@home, they are supporting SMPs, linux, bsd and Mac OS too. Many of my servers are dual processors boxes and so they cant be used to the fullest by this agent
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Re: folding@home

I used to run folding@home earlier and I switched to this one, but I am thinking of switching back to folding@home as the grid agent software is just not up to the mark yet compared to the one given out by folding@home, they are supporting SMPs, linux, bsd and Mac OS too. Many of my servers are dual processors boxes and so they cant be used to the fullest by this agent


I feel better about supporting The Grid. All the papers coming out of Folding at Home are Pande (the main researcher) group projects that are selected by Pande et al. Additionally, it could end up that the fruits of this processing power are patented meds that only truly benefit those with money in their pockets until trickle down reaches the global community as a whole. Of course, this is speculation, but I couldn't find anything about how the projects are chosen on the folding at home webpage. That's one of the reasons I quit running folding at home on my computers.

The Grid on the other hand, appears to be more global community oriented, working on problems that affect the world in significant ways, such as smallpox and malaria.

From the World Community Grid Webpage - "The Advisory Board is an international group of experts specializing in health sciences, technology, and philanthropy. The role of the advisory board is to establish the criteria and process for soliciting and reviewing research proposals, identifying projects that benefit most from grid computing and make the most difference to our world."

I do agree that they need to release clients for Linux, Mac and BSD, as well as implement a cpu usage feature, but this project is truly worthwhile, so give them some time before you give up on them. :-)

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Additionally, it could end up that the fruits of this processing power are patented meds that only truly benefit those with money in their pockets until trickle down reaches the global community as a whole. Of course, this is speculation, but I couldn't find anything about how the projects are chosen on the folding at home webpage. That's one of the reasons I quit running folding at home on my computers.


I think you're forgetting who is behind these projects. Folding@Home is run by a non-profit (Stanford University) whereas WCG is run by a startup trying to stay alive (UD) and IBM. UD and IBM are in business to make money. They will have no qualms with selling the results or selling your computer time if they need to.

As for the WCG board. Do you think they really get a vote if IBM and UD decide to make these types of changes?

WCG is a great idea. It's just a shame it's run by companies. If you're unsure about Stanford, check out the BOINC projects too.
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A couple of misconceptions need to be cleared up here. Firstly, WCG, UD and IBM do not "own" the results of the processing that we are providing. The Human Proteome Folding project is being run for The Institute for Systems Biology. More information on them can be found in the Projects Showcase under the Research Participants at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/research_participants.html and http://www.systemsbiology.org/ .

Then, the Human Proteome Folding project and folding@home project have very different objectives. A simple explanation can be found in the Projects Showcase under the Project FAQ's at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/proteome_faqs.html .

I would really recommend that any of us that are participating in this project or are thinking about participating spend some time reading the information that the WCG has provided in the sections pointed to by the tabs under the top of the page "world community grid" logo. There is a lot there that will answer questions and concerns that lead to confusion and misrepresentations here in the forums.
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There is a lot there that will answer questions and concerns that lead to confusion and misrepresentations here in the forums.


That's very true. However, in the end, the only document that matters is the license agreement we have all agreed to. Everything else on the web site, etc is legally irrelevant.

For those who haven't gotten a chance to read it, you really should
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/join_now/join_now.html

Let's take the first part

THIS IS THE AGREEMENT THAT APPLIES TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE WCG. IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION (WE WILL REFER TO OURSELVES AS “IBM” OR “WE”). IT IS ANTICIPATED EVENTUALLY THAT IBM WILL TRANSFER WORLD COMMUNITY GRID TO A NON-IBM OWNED WORLD COMMUNITY GRID ENTITY OR ANOTHER ENTITY. IF AND WHEN THAT OCCURS, THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALSO APPLY TO THAT WORLD COMMUNITY GRID ENTITY.


So, first off, this is an agreement between us and IBM (not ISB or anybody else).

Secondly, IBM can sell or transfer this to *anybody*. This is reiterated below
IBM WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRANSFER ONE OR MORE OF OWNERSHIP, MANAGEMENT, AND CONTROL OF THE WCG TO ANOTHER ENTITY. IN THE THAT EVENT, YOU AGREE THAT THIS AGREEMENT AND ITS PROVISIONS WILL ALSO APPLY TO THAT OTHER ENTITY.


Nowhere in the license does it say that this is non-profit, etc. My brother is a lawyer and his reading was that this EULA left a lot of room for IBM to do really whatever they want with our computers and the data which resulted from it.

Anyway, I think ISB is a great place and I have faith in them and their scientists. However, it's naieve to think that just because IBM puts something on a web site, that means that they're in any way legally bound to it. The parts they *are* legally bound too are pretty much giving them carte blanche.
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My Main-Man investigated this ?Question and gave up on GOOGle-Labz-Toolbar for F@H and again at Http://Folding.Stanford.EDU for 'Folding' Proteins [[which is complimentory to this [Proteome'] ] Not Competetory!!! It just seems like a more friendly application [we do miss Electron Microscope II 'screan-saver-' though - even thou' wcGRID's is good too! tongue
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Re: folding@home

My Main-Man investigated this ?Question and gave up on GOOGle-Labz-Toolbar for F@H and again at Http://Folding.Stanford.EDU for 'Folding' Proteins [[which is complimentory to this [Proteome'] ] Not Competetory!!! It just seems like a more friendly application [we do miss Electron Microscope II 'screan-saver-' though - even thou' wcGRID's is good too! tongue

this needs to be said agin' Not competitive BUT complimentory to RESEARCH/non-PROFIT/not ALIEN collective inelligence !
not even TOTALLY H.A.L. lol join [see 'TEAMS' Forum ZeroeZ
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