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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

It's only October

It turned up last year 16th December

We are still using British Summer Time
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Snow? In winter? You don't say.

Don't know where you live but the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere is more than 2 months away. We've already set 1 record low and tied another where I live. Reminds me of how much I dislike cold weather but on the other hand it allows me to crank up the crunchers. biggrin
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Nanoprobe it makes me wish mine were not quite so energy efficient.

But in the UK they have to be to keep crunching. The cost of energy to keep warm on an island at the same latitude as Moscow is too high to have the heating on.

It's frost I see out of the window

If you think I am making this up here's a story to make you think

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-new...ngham-palace-2088179.html

And for the ordinary folk in the UK????

Here's how the Elderly are being treated this year after the Banks gambled away what turned out in the end to be our money

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/news/20...y-be-cut-115875-22625107/

Here's what is in place right at this moment http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/bene....htm#winter_fuel_payments .....it won't be for too much longer.

More people in the UK die from cold than heat

Think on CO2 fear mongers


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Another environmentally friendly way of getting free tidal power abandoned in favour of far from environmentally friendly Nuclear Power

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-17/u-k-...ant-independent-says.html

Ah this must be the UK again d oh

Maybe they should of asked the people of Hinkley Point which they would have preferred - http://www.stophinkley.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_A_nuclear_power_station
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_B_nuclear_power_station



C? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station

By comparison here is what has been lost

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Barrage
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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global

State of the Climate
Global Analysis
September 2010
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Climatic Data Center

Global Highlights

* The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for September 2010 was 0.50°C (0.90°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F) and tied with 1998 as the eighth warmest on record. September 2005 is the warmest September on record.
* The September worldwide land surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F)—the ninth warmest September on record.
* The September worldwide ocean surface temperature was 0.44°C (0.79°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F) and tied with 1998 and 2008 as the ninth warmest September on record.
* For January–September 2010, the global combined land and ocean surface temperature was 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F) and tied with 1998 as the warmest January–September period on record.
* The global average land surface temperature for the period January–September was the second warmest on record, behind 2007.
* The global average ocean surface temperature for the period January–September was also the second warmest on record, behind 1998.
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JAPAN average temperature 19.153846
JORDAN average temperature 24


I noticed some temperatures in that list with single degree precision and others with an average precise to 1 part per million. The height of the thermometer itself above sea level would make a big difference here.

In the troposphere, the rate of temperature decrease is 9.8 °C per 1,000 m.

That is 0.0098 °C decrease per meter of height.

We're not there yet.

0.0000098 °C decrease per millimeter, almost 10 parts per million.

One more decimal move is 0.00000098 °C, meaning that raising the thermometer height by 1/10 millimeter reduces the temperature by that one part per million from effect of altitude.

I'm sure that the altitude of the thermometers is all over the place, and higher altitude countries will naturally register as colder just because their thermometers are sitting higher in altitude than some others.
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Hi retsof

That was the first set of results I got out of TGT for Counties and yes I am aware of it's limitations. I was just so happy it worked biggrin

I will be storing the average values to 2 decimal places. In the cases where there is only one reliable station in a country then the average will always be an integer as the stations report only integer values of degrees C in their METAR (also the Min Max and Average Values will always be one and the same)

I have had it suggested that I should only save the average temperature as an Integer as this is the level of accuracy of an individual station

However

What is the average of 10,10 and 9?

Is it 9.66 or 10?

I believe that 9.66 is a closer representation of the truth and as the aim of TGT is to demonstrate, eventually, comparative warming (or the lack of it - or even that it does get colder as well as warmer - heaven forbid wink ) on a year by year basis from the very same NOAA weather stations - Something that has only changed 0.73C over the 20th century, assuming our temperature data has never been fiddled with along the way - then 2 decimal place averages are going to be needed

This is an apples with apples comparison it does not matter where the stations are in terms of height or even location around the globe as long as there is sufficient number, general coverage and the same set are used in the comparison

If the CO2 alarmists are correct then by the end of the century the 10.64C global average collected at 0700 UTC on the 18th October 2011 from the 2739 weather stations will be 16.64C at 0700 UTC on the 18th October 2099


Or much more likely around the 10 and a half mark I think

I fixed the 1am bug this morning. Countries and Latitudes are worked out after the hour so to get the values in the previous hour I took an hour off the current time. I forgot to take an hour off the current day d oh so at just after Midnight if you only take an hour off the current time it's 11pm today and not yesterday

Sorted

Telecoms Engineers - Pah

I'll have it working ok for 1/1/11 and now I will have the funds to host it biggrin
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Ah look I got me a green one dancing
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