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Re: Connection frequency setting

A little weird, but interesting.

Thank you. smile
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Re: Connection frequency setting

And as Ingleside explained in his post yesterday, it has an effect for dial-up users and, in general, for users who cannot be connected all day long.
Maybe it would be less confusing if this parameter were named "Connects every ..."?
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Re: Connection frequency setting

since I've changed the setting to .1 from a lower value, I never seem to have RtR's in my queue. But from what you're saying that must just be a coincidence.

I'll continue to check and see if that continues to be true. If so, 'coincidence' would not seem a likely explanation, but we'll see.

I understand that it is a useful parameter for DUN users but I don't see why it would be ignored for always on connections. How would BOINC decide if the connection is always on. I doubt it has logic to monitor the amount of up time and then draw a conclusion based on that information. I used to have a dial-up connection that was 'always on' since I had a separate line and was always dl'ing from usenet. I don't think BOINC would have conclude that this was a cable or DSL connection as a result of that.

I don't really care and don't want to keep this thread alive for no good reason so I don't really expect an answer. I just think there is more to this parameter and I'll be interested to see if in fact it is ignored on my machines.
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Re: Connection frequency setting

I've got it set to 1.0 days connect (just now) plus the scheduler option for 15 minute contact before 00:00 UTC for longer if that interests you. Clears everything in one fell swoop once per day, if I'm not there to hit "update" at strategic moments on which I'll not elaborate here :D
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Re: Connection frequency setting

Maybe it would be less confusing if this parameter were named "Connects every ..."?

No re-naming is neccessary, since it's not called "connect", but, as the full preference-text when setting preferences on web-page shows it is:

Computer is connected to the Internet about every N days
(Leave blank or 0 if always connected.
BOINC will try to maintain at least this much work.)

This has been the case since April 2007 (v5.9.4), and both client-defaults and BOINC-preference-defaults is also zero for this parameter.
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Re: Connection frequency setting

Once again, Ingleside, you provide advice which may be correct at other BOINC projects (I didn't bother checking) but that is wrong for World Community Grid.

I only mention it because you seem to be making a habit of this. If you want to help other members, please help them with the correct facts.
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Re: Connection frequency setting

Once again, Ingleside, you provide advice which may be correct at other BOINC projects (I didn't bother checking) but that is wrong for World Community Grid.

I only mention it because you seem to be making a habit of this. If you want to help other members, please help them with the correct facts.

Hmm, since you're not quoting anything... is this a comment to my 1st. message, or my last or... confused

Now, if the 1st. message, could of course have included a "BOINC Manager and WCG has a little different wording", and "individual projects can have other default values".

Or, is it something else in 1st. message you're thinking is incorrect, or something in any of the other messages?
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Re: Connection frequency setting

Once again, Ingleside, you provide advice which may be correct at other BOINC projects (I didn't bother checking) but that is wrong for World Community Grid.

I only mention it because you seem to be making a habit of this. If you want to help other members, please help them with the correct facts.

Hmm, since you're not quoting anything... is this a comment to my 1st. message, or my last or... confused

OK. Since you want quotes here is one:
Connect to network about every xx.xx days
It's taken from the "Workunit Cache Settings" section of WCG's current profiles which is what we are generally talking about in WCG's support fora.

Now, about quoting your messages where you are confusing people with historical considerations on the whole range of BOINC versions since many years, or how BOINC works in other DC sites, or what WCG techs should change to please you, sorry I will not try: that would become a full time job. smile
If you really do not remember when you did that this forum now has a decent search function which can help you to reread all your previous posts.

I am generally trying to stay peaceful and not to start arguments, therefore I have not made too many comments about your attitude but you must know that I am in total agreement with Didactylos on this precise topic.

Thank you for understanding. Jean.
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Re: Connection frequency setting

If it has no effect on RtR's or the final data for a work unit, why is it there?

Options are left mostly for backward compatibility. There are still 5.4.11 users around, who so far found no reason to change up the version and there are still dial-uppers around. Shortly I will be one again for a little bit.
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Re: Connection frequency setting

OK. Since you want quotes here is one:
Connect to network about every xx.xx days
It's taken from the "Workunit Cache Settings" section of WCG's current profiles which is what we are generally talking about in WCG's support fora.

Well, this goes under the heading "BOINC Manager and WCG has a little different wording"... wink


But granted, could have made my comment to your suggestion to change it to "connects" more accurate, something like (oh no, not another 'historical consideration')...

When the "Additonal..."-parameter was introduced back in 2007, at the same time the meaning of "Connect"-parameter was changed, both in how BOINC-client uses this parameter, and the valid range of the parameter, most notably that permanently-connected computers should use zero and use "Additional..." for cache-size instead. To go along with these changes, client-defaults, preference-defaults and the wording on web-page for this parameter was changed, to be more in line with the new behaviour of the parameter.

Unfortunately, when WCG added the "Additional"-parameter to their web-pages, they overlooked the changes to the "Connect"-parameter, this means WCG-web-pages shows a wording that isn't in line with how client now uses the parameter, and a preference-default that isn't in line with what the client expects for permanently-connected computers.


Now, as already commented in this thread, for anyone running only WCG, the defaults being 0.1 or 0.2 days doesn't matter, except as part of the total cache-size. So, until WCG-only users changes the parameters, it doesn't really matter the WCG-web-description is inconsistent with BOINC-client.

For multi-project-users on the other hand, even a setting of 0.1 days "Connected..." can influence things...
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