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Former Member
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I am running a 3.4ghz pentium 4 with no other apps besides wcg agent. When it completes a workunit the diagnostics only give it a score of 92.
I have also noticed that the score has gone from 185 down to 92 and everyplace inbetween over the last 4 months. The other computer I am running is an amd64 3000+ and it has a rock solid score of 200. Although it is doing 6 workunitss a day it is only getting 200 points per workunit. The pentium does 3 workunits a day and gets around 284 points per workunit. I have checked my threads for another trojan eating up proccesor time and found nothing. The proccessor temp is around 105f/38c. Soooo...I have a system that is running 8 points below the reference proccessor at 1.5 ghz and it should be at 185. Can anyone tell me why ? I checked the points calculation and it uses processor scors to dole out points. If this is true I feel I am missing out on my full point award. |
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Former Member
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I assume that Task Manager shows Rosetta running 49 - 50 % (with hyperthreading) or 99% without hyperthreading. Cpuidle should be 0%. The only 3 possibilities that occur to me offhand do not seem to fit.
1) temperature mandated slowdown. 2) competing process. 3) software enforced idle (such as threadmaster or cpuidle [a misleadingly named utility that ensures cpuidle runs a percentage of the time]). Anybody have better ideas than I do? mycrofth |
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the cpu is watercooled and has a thermocouple going right to it showing 40c. The computer is also very clean so thier should be no cooling issues.
The computer is running in hyperthreading mode with rosetta getting 50 and system idle getting 50 of the processor. Which should be okay because windows thinks thier are two cpus going with rosetta accessing one and nothing accessing the other. I have no utilities on here such as threadmaster or cpu idle. It is down to 79 now? |
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Former Member
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Bruce --
I am puzzled by this as well. I have not seen anything in the forums since the beginning of the project which would account for a processor rating to drop as you are seeing other than those listed by mycrofth in his post. I begin to wonder if you might not be experiencing some type of hardware problem which is causing the slowdown. That being the case, I decided to look for a free software package that could benchmark a processor and think I have found one that looks pretty good. It has a lot of features to it, but the one I was interested in was the processor benchmark. I downloaded it and ran it on my system and found that it reported my 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 (normally it gets from about 115 to 130 on the overall rating by the WCG Agent -- the most recent processor rating for it was 146) and compared it to other processors pretty accurately (it gives both a graphical and text report). My processor tested out as follows: CPU Bench Result WhetStone FPU 2,372 MWIDPS DhryStone ALU 5,558 MDIPS Speed 2390 MHz If you wish to try it, it is called "Fresh Diagnose" and it is available for free download at http://www.freshdevices.com/freshdiag.html. You have to provide them with your e-mail address to receive a pointer to a download site and to obtain a registration key. Hopefully I have not opened my e-mail to a lot of spam. I cannot vouch for this aspect of it yet. Let us know the results if you try this. Other than that, I am not sure if I can be of much help. I wonder if anyone else might have any ideas on this. |
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RT
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Several points:
----------------------------------------First, please make sure that the overall and the CPU scores are not being confused. There is an explanation at: http://www.unofficialworldcommunitygrid.com/Overall.shtml which points at the "detail". Note points are awarded based on 4 factors; not just CPU. Second there are a set of processor scores locatedhere Finally, my speculation is that there really is a CPU temp problem on the P4. Experience with water cooling tells me that sometimes the processor is as much as 10c higher than the watercooling system says. This is true of mine. Also confusing the situation is that the sensor that is supposed to be touching under the chip (on some systems), sometimes does not touch giving false readings as well. Hence you could be having a temp slowdown and not be able to see it. I would bet that the AMD points score is getting discounted due to memory size, disk allocation or communications speed. Check the first link above for an explanation. If worse comes to worse, I would disassemble, thoroughly clean, put a super-thin coat of thermal paste on the water block, ensure the system is full of fluid, clean the radiator check all the fans etc. etc. You are clearly not getting the proper processor score out of your P4 3.4 unless it is fairly near 200. The fact that you processor score has slowly deteriorated, indicates the physical deterioration of some aspect which will likely be found in the disassembly. Again this is all speculation, but that is where I would look. Good Luck |
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I downloaded Fresh diagnose and ran the benchmarks over 2 days with all process using cpu turned off.
The speed for all trials, about 20, remained constant at 3408mhz. The MWIPS varied between 794 and 1878. No rhyme or reason to the variation either. The MDIPS varied between 2879 and 3335. Fresh diagnose exhibited the same behavior as the processor score section of the WCG agent benchmark. |
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Former Member
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This is really puzzling. If the clock speed never changed but throughput varied dramatically, then I have to start wondering about things like clock dividers, etc. I have always stayed away from the P4 series, so I do not know how it changes speed for temperature control. Looking at the 'Useful Utilities' thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2490 , have you tried this:
----------------------------------------6) Throttle Watch: http://www.panopsys.com/throttlewatch.php Added: link has changed to http://www.panopsys.com/Downloads.html This can monitor some boards and tell you if onboard temperature control is throttling back on speed, which can otherwise lead to puzzling system performance drops. Consider upgrading fans or heatsink or checking for dust buildup and fan failure if it does show that your system is throttling back. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 28, 2005 12:12:19 AM] |
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I am accessing the processor score and not overall benchmark on the agent.
Those are good points you brought up on the watercooling. The prescott core especially at 3.4 ghz runs extremely hot. This system because of 24/7 rosetta work has 3 fans on the radiator two on the case and I have a 24 inch box fan blowing into the front of the case. Because during the 1980's and 1990's the only processsors around were intel based systems. I got real use to them. But this prescott experiance has definiely converted me to amd. Just for the cooling aspects alone. I am real nervous about breaking into that watercooling system. It was one hell of a nightmare to install. I am reviewing all my results since this system went online in d December to see if I have a degrading in work accomplished. |
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The speed is unvarying at 3408 mhz. So I dont think the system is throttling back the frequency due to heat problems.
The motherboard is an ASUS P5P800 supporting LGA775 and the 865PE chipset. Thier very well could be a problem with the chipset. I am not all that familiar with the 865PE chipset. I know when I installed the watercooler I had to get a special adapter so the plate could fit the socket 775. The temps are running between 96 and 111 f and 38 and 43 celsius. Even with a 10 degree argin of error it would still only put it at 121f or 48c. The work output seems consistent at 2 to 3 workunits aday and average 700 points. I am going to try throttle watch and see what that utility brings in the way of info. |
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I'm not sure what is happening on your particular system. However, the agent runs some sort of quick benchmark, each time it communicates with the server to get new work. It might be that right at this time, something else is triggered to run for a short time. For example, if you have a virus checker which scans every file written, it might be invoked and be checking the new downloaded work data or newly assembled data file to be returned at the same time that the quick benchmark is running. Or, the software firewall might be doing something similar. Also, a spyware checker might come alive at that point. So, this is just speculation, but might explain some of this if something else runs while the benchmark runs.
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