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Saenger
Advanced Cruncher Germany Joined: Dec 28, 2005 Post Count: 68 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Over in the forum @BOINCstats a WCG participant wrote this:
----------------------------------------I registed to gridrepublic which created a new instead of overtake the old WCG account (which i recorgnised too late) :-( Now I switched to BAM because it is much better! My WCG Accounts: Login: IndianaX CPID: 941025eeb95d0492e94ca15007c2df40 (Copy & Paste from that account!) Login: Andy2010 CPID: 941025eeb95d0492e94ca15007c2df40 (Copy & Paste from that account!) You see, they are identical because both accounts have the same Email. On other combind-stats pages I see both e.g.: Free-DC you see two entries for WCG http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=userb...eb95d0492e94ca15007c2df40 I tried the same but got 2 different CPID for my accounts as I wrote in the thread. How is it possible to get the same CPID for different accounts? |
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Sekerob
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'How?' he asked.
----------------------------------------'Sit Back and Relax' he got as reply. 'They will Sync' was added to that 'Can take a few days' got appended to that 
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Saenger
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'How?' he asked. 'Sit Back and Relax' he got as reply. 'They will Sync' was added to that 'Can take a few days' got appended to that Wrong, he already has the same CPID, but for two different accounts. Read the posts again, the situation is not the usual CPID-split but the opposite, I couldn't believe it as well. Edith says: Here are the two accounts in comparsion here on this site, not some stats page ---------------------------------------- [Edit 3 times, last edit by Saenger at Jun 5, 2009 3:42:27 PM] |
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Sekerob
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So I'm 'Wrong', then are/were both accounts active simultaneously? The CPID converges always to the oldest created associated with active accounts. Thus at least 2 devices need to be involved each linked to the different WCG accounts to get them to merge towards the oldest CPID created.
----------------------------------------Now, someone was moaning WCG allowed multiple accounts with the same email address so you're expecting something BOINC non-standard, but I know it works... for that guy too.
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Saenger
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So I'm 'Wrong', then are/were both accounts active simultaneously? The CPID converges always to the oldest created associated with active accounts. Thus at least 2 devices need to be involved each linked to the different WCG accounts to get them to merge towards the oldest CPID created. Now, someone was moaning WCG allowed multiple accounts with the same email address so you're expecting something BOINC non-standard, but I know it works... for that guy too. What has worked? Two different accounts have been set up in WCG with the same CPID, that's not "working". If you only care about the nick and not the mail, the CPID have to be different, because the accounts are different and two different accounts must never ever have the same CPID. If you give the same mail address the same CPID you must merge the two accounts inti one somehow on your site, as same CPID == same account and thus => same name according to WCG-standard. Something went quite wrong here @WCG. |
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So I'm 'Wrong', then are/were both accounts active simultaneously? The CPID converges always to the oldest created associated with active accounts. Thus at least 2 devices need to be involved each linked to the different WCG accounts to get them to merge towards the oldest CPID created. Now, someone was moaning WCG allowed multiple accounts with the same email address so you're expecting something BOINC non-standard, but I know it works... for that guy too. What has worked? Two different accounts have been set up in WCG with the same CPID, that's not "working". If you only care about the nick and not the mail, the CPID have to be different, because the accounts are different and two different accounts must never ever have the same CPID. If you give the same mail address the same CPID you must merge the two accounts inti one somehow on your site, as same CPID == same account and thus => same name according to WCG-standard. Something went quite wrong here @WCG. Incorrect. There is no reason why you can't have as many accounts as you want with the same email address. We do not encourage this, but there is absolutely nothing wrong. |
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Sekerob
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Last attempt to convey: BOINC roll up is ignorant of 2 ACTIVE CRUNCHING accounts being associated to the same project, WCG. It should behave to converge, and seemingly it did, but at least 1 none WCG and common project must be associated with both clients under one user name. Manually pasting over CPIDs? Suggest to mail ContactUs if it does not sit right with you.
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Saenger
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Incorrect. There is no reason why you can't have as many accounts as you want with the same email address. We do not encourage this, but there is absolutely nothing wrong. OK, agreed, it's a possibility, as well as the BOINC way to distinguish via mail address and disregard the account nick for identification. But that's not the problem here. There are two different accounts here @WCG, not just in BOINC, and nevertheless they got distributed the same CPID by WCG. Regardless whether you take the nick or the mail address as the defining "real world readable" element of an account, the CPIDs of two distinct accounts must never be the same. The CPID is the ultimate defining item of an account, and if it's the same, it's by definition the same account. So IndianaX and Andy2010 are the same account, but WCG doesn't treat it as the same account. Something went wrong here. Again: It's here in WCG that there are two distinct accounts with the same CPID, not created somewhere outside and not yet merged, but solely created here. Edit: Last attempt to convey: BOINC roll up is ignorant of 2 ACTIVE CRUNCHING accounts being associated to the same project, WCG. It's not ignorant of that. Two accounts on the same project are two accounts, not one. They are not the same. I don't know whether it's possible to run them on the same machine, probably only with a VM, but they are distinct and thus have to have distinct CPIDs. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 2 times, last edit by Saenger at Jun 5, 2009 4:59:57 PM] |
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Saenger, slow down, please.
We understand that there are two accounts at WCG with the same email address and the same CPID. This is perfectly correct, and while it may not be possible to do this at all BOINC projects, it is perfectly correct with regard to BOINC, too. the CPIDs of two distinct accounts must never be the same. This is wrong. The whole point of CPIDs is to achieve this. Again, this can be altered simply by changing the email address.The CPID is the ultimate defining item of an account, This is completely wrong. The CPID is a way of linking accounts used by the same person. Actual "distinct" accounts are identified by the account ID and the project.This is just how it is. I'm sorry you misunderstood. |
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Saenger
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How can it be a Cross Project IDentifier if it doesn't even identify an account in a single project? What does it identify?
----------------------------------------I understand now a bit how it happened, I guess it's because of the irregular way WCG is handling account managers like BAM! and GridRepublic. I still don't have the faintest idea why WCG is set up in a way that allows such hiccups to happen. But more pragmatic in regard of this unfortunate user who got this real split account: Is it possible to merge them under one name, and what does he have to do to achieve this? |
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