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gordoma
Veteran Cruncher Windsor, UK Joined: Jul 21, 2005 Post Count: 729 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'm all for having numbers on the badges for the number of CPU years, but why define only 1, 2 and 5? Perhaps it should be the number of CPU years regardless of how many you've got - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc?
----------------------------------------Also some sort of intermediate badge between the Gold at 90 days and the 1-year numbered badge would be an idea, but the colour might be a problem - bronze, silver and gold mke sense as these are already internationally recognised through sporting events and so on, but platinum or diamond might be difficult to achieve because of the limitation of colours. Since Bronze, Silver and Gold are effectively Brown, Grey and Yellow, would platinum not look loo much like silver and would a diamond not be a clear or white background, which I think might look less impressive than the gold. My suggestion would be to retain Bronze, Silver and Gold where they are, but add the CPU years to the gold badge for each year achieved (if that is technically feasible?). If a suitable colour is found for an intermediate badge, then 180 days seems like a fair point as this is double the gold (which is double silver) and just under half of one CPU year. What do you think? ![]() Numbers might need a white border to enhance them over some of the badges. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by gordoma at Apr 7, 2009 8:37:24 AM] |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Believe it or not, WCG has access to professionals artists to make it work, whatever comes out.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I'm all for having numbers on the badges for the number of CPU years, but why define only 1, 2 and 5? Perhaps it should be the number of CPU years regardless of how many you've got - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc? The idea of 180 days, then 1,2,5 is to preserve the existing idea of 14, 45, 90 where you do not get a badge for every day (or year) but the next badge is 2-3 times for the last. I cannot agree with the idea that someone might earn the 37 year badge. Using 1,2,5 then leads into using 10,20,50 and 100,200 and 500, etc and solves forever the question on what progression to use and eliminates the need to create a 7 year badge. Also some sort of intermediate badge between the Gold at 90 days and the 1-year numbered badge would be an idea It is an idea but it leads us into the realm where you get a badge for every day. One of the reasons for even having badges is to encourage crunchers to work toward the next plateau, not the next day. I respect the fact that there are a lot of crunchers donating one or two computers to WCG, and we need the help of every member, big or small. Who knows, if the first badge had been 1 year, I might not have started with WCG. I had to start small in order to get big, and computers are only getting faster. But realistically, we have crunched 259,236,911 WU and we have about 437,000 total members yielding an average of 600 WU per member. All you have to do is look at the Statistics page and see that we have 5,000 members each with over 6,500 WU. It takes about 350 HFCC WU to get the Gold Badge. Everyone involved deserves recognition. The current badges recognize everyone who can donate 14 days of time. WCG can look at recognizing the crunchers that are delivering years of time and it can be badges or certificates or just someone to drop by and say thanks for helping. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 7, 2009 2:29:40 PM] |
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aann
Cruncher Joined: Mar 19, 2007 Post Count: 16 Status: Offline |
I like the idea of adding year numbers to the existing badges, and the added color above gold seems like a good idea too.
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boulmontjj
Senior Cruncher France Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 317 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I like the idea to add some badges (i have also created a thread about that) because some more bagdes mean next steps for crunchers that like to show their badges on there website, their signature ...
----------------------------------------This can be the the carrot which makes before the ass (don't be afraid, I don't consider me as an ass and nobody here moreover) and make us continue crunching. But if we think about that a little beat more, it can also be something that can frighten new members who like the glorifications (medals, badges on WCG). And when they will see that they have years of delay on some, it can frighten them, make them feel themselves quite small and make them leave. Yes, they can see the difference on stats but stats, we are going to look for them, badges, we see them everywhere, including on this forum. Let us be thus humble. We calculate above all to advance the research. The rest as the badges are tools of promotion and motivation. It was my idea of the end of the afternoon ![]() ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by boulmontjj at Apr 7, 2009 4:25:13 PM] |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
We are aware of this request but at this time we are not acting on it (this is neither rejecting nor accepting). When we do take this up again it will also be considered along with the global contribution plateaus' (i.e 180 days of total contribution, 1 yr, 5, yr, etc - don't take these as the final nums) and the associated printable certificates that will be available.
However, we have a tough schedule coming up with beta testing for the next project starting soon, managing our existing projects and we are deep into work on the upgrade of the forums software. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
However, we have a tough schedule coming up with beta testing for the next project starting soon, managing our existing projects and we are deep into work on the upgrade of the forums software. I think having to read our requests for certain changes is the price you have to pay in order to keep us in near total darkness on what is happening next and the schedule for things to come in the future. I am not suggesting you change that policy completely, but as the days go by and we just keep crunching away, our minds wander to new ideas to keep us interested and involved. It is challenging to be so caught up in WCG while having to create almost all the recognition yourself, being contented to pat yourself on the back. |
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3715 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
being contented to pat yourself on the back. As I am getting older I find it more and more difficult and more and more painful! ![]() Seriously, back to one of your previous posts, you were reluctant to badges showing simply the number of years contributed to a project, implying that switching from one level to the next would be too easy and would happen too often. We certainly appreciate the level of your contribution but you should understand that WCG will not develop features which address only the 300 more powerful of their members. As of today there are 89,551 members who have got credits during the last month, and only 2,150 have a RAC higher than a basic quad running at stock speed (1,800). Even for such a machine dedicated to a single project it would take at least* three months to contribute one more year for this project. This is far from "every day", and for the 87,000 others below this (arbitrary) reference it would still be a serious challenge. Please never forget, badges are made for motivating members, not for discouraging them. Jean. ![]() Edit: Added "at least*", because it obviously depends on how long it is switched on every day and on what it is doing beside grid computing. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by JmBoullier at Apr 8, 2009 12:34:19 AM] |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think having to read our requests for certain changes is the price you have to pay in order to keep us in near total darkness on what is happening next and the schedule for things to come in the future. I am not suggesting you change that policy completely, but as the days go by and we just keep crunching away, our minds wander to new ideas to keep us interested and involved. We have been quieter in the forums then we should be as of late. We certainly need to improve this. Stabilizing the new environment took longer than expected and there were a lot of weekend and evening hours (some issues were very apparent to the members and some issues were not) due to the issues. This mean some things did not get worked on or attention to things that are important (i.e. the forums) did not get our attention. We are finally starting to get down to a very small list of remaining issues and this is allowing us to start returning to normal operations (not there yet - we still have some things we are working through). I do hope that our presence and communication will improve some going forward from now. As far as providing more insight to our upcoming changes, that will likely not change. To see why just look at some of our previous comments regarding changes such as the forums upgrade and the points change...... It would have been better for us not to say much about those as they still haven't happened yet. |
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Former Member
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As of today there are 89,551 members who have got credits during the last month, and only 2,150 have a RAC higher than a basic quad running at stock speed (1,800). Even for such a machine dedicated to a single project it would take at least* three months to contribute one more year for this project. Thanks for the information. I have wondered about relative sizes so this is interesting. I suggest that a new member starting today with a singe quad as mentioned (or 2 C2D) could have all the current available Gold badges in less than six months. Since you cannot buy a new computer less than a C2D, for new members I do not believe this is a stretch. So after 6 months what motivates them? While we have the 97.6% below that arbitrary line, all of the P3/P4 computers are going to be replaced with minimum C2D over the next 1-4 years, rapidly growing the base and rapidly increasing the number over that RAC line. I wonder how many members were over that RAC a year ago? and a year from now. How is WCG going to react if the 2150 number becomes 8600 in a year? I am not sure where the 300 number comes from, but I wonder how many members have 180 or more days on any one project? How many have 90-180 days on one project? Those are the target groups. To get to 1,2,5 years you need 180 days, which I think is the next logical badge level (if any). My point about the 1,2,5,10,20 progression was not necessarily that you WOULD develop those badges, but that it sets WCG up for a logical progression that you COULD logically grow into. It is a progression that you can easily defend no matter how big WCG gets. It's a matter of delivering objects to motivate two diverse groups. At one end you have the 2150 "super" crunchers and at the other end you have 87,401 junior crunchers. One of my points is that every one of the 87,000+ crunchers have the opportunity to grow and cross that arbitrary line AND that the technology is pushing all of them that direction. New and existing members are not going to setup smaller computers. We are talking about a problem caused by WCG getting bigger, but it is not really a problem is it? Thanks |
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