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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hello, I'd like to give a couple of suggestions:
----------------------------------------- I really would like the screensaver on Windows could launch the WCG Client and process normally and write the results before exit if the user comes to use the PC back, this when the client is not active on the system tray/memory nor as a service. This feature was present and was removed, I don't know why because the WCG is losing many idle time because of this. - No multi-core support of default profile Custom mode: I have a P4 HT, so I have set the 'switch between projects' to 0 and now only 1 core works at a time, before this my default profile was set to standard settings. This is another flaw, I think should be an option saying how to distribute the projects on multi-core/processor PC. I said this because the 'Maximum Output' settings slows down the PC but a 95-90% I think would be OK and would do more work than the 'Standard Settings' that is currently 60% CPU usage. - Also when default profile is on Custom mode the projects get a delayed start, not delayed when on Standard. Please fix this, if these are not flaws and can be corrected though config please correct me, thank you. Cheers.  [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 13, 2009 5:52:41 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Saul, the current service based installation is a dramatic improvement over the old screensaver-only situation. You still have complete control over when your computer is used, but you can also use the WCG screensaver, a different screensaver, or no screensaver at all - while contributing all the time.
The CPU usage setting is a common source of confusion. It has nothing to do with avoiding slowing your computer down. It is all about preventing overheating. Many contributors have laptops, and overheating can be a significant concern. This is why the default is 60%. As for your multiprocessing - I'm afraid you must have made a mistake with your settings. Be careful not to confuse the % of CPUs to use with the % of CPU to use - one refers to the number of processors to use, the other to the throttle. "Switch between projects" is irrelevant if you only contribute to World Community Grid. Leave it at the default (60 minutes). Yes, we know the preferences are convoluted and confusing. Sorry. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The start delay is a new feature in BOINC 6.2.28.
The delay only happens when the client is started, and has nothing to do with your chosen profile. You can change this setting in your client configuration file. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Saul, the current service based installation is a dramatic improvement over the old screensaver-only situation. You still have complete control over when your computer is used, but you can also use the WCG screensaver, a different screensaver, or no screensaver at all - while contributing all the time. The CPU usage setting is a common source of confusion. It has nothing to do with avoiding slowing your computer down. It is all about preventing overheating. Many contributors have laptops, and overheating can be a significant concern. This is why the default is 60%. As for your multiprocessing - I'm afraid you must have made a mistake with your settings. Be careful not to confuse the % of CPUs to use with the % of CPU to use - one refers to the number of processors to use, the other to the throttle. "Switch between projects" is irrelevant if you only contribute to World Community Grid. Leave it at the default (60 minutes). Yes, we know the preferences are convoluted and confusing. Sorry. That is the problem, I don't want my PC to run the client all the time, I need to stop it completely and unload it dynamicaly, can this be done with a service based installation? And why the delay, if it's necessary I don't mind. I was confused about the % of CPUs usage, now I have corrected the settings and set 'switch between projects' to 60 again. And if you put your PC in 'Max Ouput' it slows it down a little, I have a P4 HT 3 Ghz and I can tell, mainly I think is because it maxes the CPU making the PC slightly unresponsive not bothering but noticeable on certain conditions. Edit: And I only run WCG project. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 13, 2009 6:51:14 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The start delay is to ensure that your computer boots fast and uninterrupted.
With a hyperthreaded P4, we often recommend you only run one task at once. As you have observed, it can struggle with two. But it's entirely your decision! You can set BOINC to run only when you aren't using it, but if your other settings are ideal, there should never be a need to resort to this. Remember, you can always suspend and resume BOINC manually. There is no need to exit BOINC Manager. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
OK, I understand the delay, but is not necessary once I have Windows loaded, so it would be smart if the BOINC Client could have a preference for this, I don't wanna waste 120 segs. of processing unnecessarily.
----------------------------------------I yes, I want to make as much work without feeling it, mainly because, some older PCs really feel lagginess and the people I ask to participate gets discouraged by this. OK my thing on the WCGC(WCG Client) usage is: I want the power of my CPUs for long periods of time and with full screen apps/games, so when I'm not on full screen and I forgot to turn it on I'd like the WCGC screen saver help me on this and resume computations until I get back to work and the WCGC go back to the previous state I set it on. I know I'm a little perfectionist about taking advantage of idle time conditions but the less "invisible" and the more work it can do the more extra TeraFLOPS (http://boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=wcg) on the grid, don't you think? Cheers. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 14, 2009 10:16:36 PM] |
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hunterkasy
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interesting, I have a dual core 3grz processor (no hyper threading) and I have bionc on custom and I run the cores at 100% and I have never had any sluggish going on, and I like to play high intense games, never any problems, I do have 2 g's of memory maybe that helps
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Sekerob
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Saul Luizaga,
----------------------------------------You can change the cc_config.xml value to 60 seconds at which I have it. That 60 seconds is so busy on the computer during boot and sign in, that actually few seconds are lost. BOINC only uses "idle" time anyhow but can cause bootup slowing if already running when other startup programs still have to load. You don't need the screensaver. BOINC can be instructed to run during idle periods, with a delay factor. Screensavers eat CPU time. Version 6 can even be told to pause when specific game/apps programs are loaded, also by adding code lines to the cc_config.xml file. So give us: -Delay time best for you during startup so you can begin working quickest -Executable Names of Games or Apps -Whether you want to keep the sciences in memory when paused (if not, you loose progress each time BOINC is paused) -Whether you want mouse/keyboard action to pause BOINC in general or only during gaming/intense user application use. -Whether you want Screensaver (has to start 1 minute after BOINC resumes from pause/suspension) and we'll tell you what parts to set on the web profile and local. ttyl
WCG
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Former Member
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Saul Luizaga, You can change the cc_config.xml value to 60 seconds at which I have it. That 60 seconds is so busy on the computer during boot and sign in, that actually few seconds are lost. BOINC only uses "idle" time anyhow but can cause bootup slowing if already running when other startup programs still have to load. I clearly stated that the delay should be only at boot time and the client should detect if Windows has booted and is so, omit the delay. You don't need the screensaver. BOINC can be instructed to run during idle periods, with a delay factor. Screensavers eat CPU time. Version 6 can even be told to pause when specific game/apps programs are loaded, also by adding code lines to the cc_config.xml file. So give us: -Delay time best for you during startup so you can begin working quickest -Executable Names of Games or Apps -Whether you want to keep the sciences in memory when paused (if not, you loose progress each time BOINC is paused) -Whether you want mouse/keyboard action to pause BOINC in general or only during gaming/intense user application use. -Whether you want Screensaver (has to start 1 minute after BOINC resumes from pause/suspension) and we'll tell you what parts to set on the web profile and local. ttyl And I'll be forever wrong and you'll be forever right, right? this is the kind of close mindness that delays progress on every aspect of life untill people like you admit that you MAYBE wrong or not exactly right. You don't even try to understand my POV. Fine, so be it. Bye |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Saul Luizaga, You can change the cc_config.xml value to 60 seconds at which I have it. That 60 seconds is so busy on the computer during boot and sign in, that actually few seconds are lost. BOINC only uses "idle" time anyhow but can cause bootup slowing if already running when other startup programs still have to load. I clearly stated that the delay should be only at boot time and the client should detect if Windows has booted and is so, omit the delay. BOINC is not that sophisticated. It will abide by the delay setting any time the core client is loaded into memory. You don't need the screensaver. BOINC can be instructed to run during idle periods, with a delay factor. Screensavers eat CPU time. Version 6 can even be told to pause when specific game/apps programs are loaded, also by adding code lines to the cc_config.xml file. So give us: -Delay time best for you during startup so you can begin working quickest -Executable Names of Games or Apps -Whether you want to keep the sciences in memory when paused (if not, you loose progress each time BOINC is paused) -Whether you want mouse/keyboard action to pause BOINC in general or only during gaming/intense user application use. -Whether you want Screensaver (has to start 1 minute after BOINC resumes from pause/suspension) and we'll tell you what parts to set on the web profile and local. ttyl And I'll be forever wrong and you'll be forever right, right? this is the kind of close mindness that delays progress on every aspect of life untill people like you admit that you MAYBE wrong or not exactly right. You don't even try to understand my POV. Fine, so be it. Bye Well, I offered to get you the settings I digested from your POV. You want to achieve something and within limits that can be done. If you wish the client to be fixed, the recommended path is to check in with the developer forum, discuss there and raise a TRAC ticket for modification or add a feature. BOINC IS open source. Have a good evening.
WCG
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