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Re: It is time to move to CUDA/BOINC !!!!

I don't know if this is a valid criticism, but it has occurred to me that any scientist who are capable of writing CUDA or other GPU based apps may not contact WCG simply because they know it isn't supported. I mean, unless there is some sort of survey that would tell you how many labs are interested in doing GPU based crunching, it could easily be a self-fulling prophecy.
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Re: It is time to move to CUDA/BOINC !!!!

Well, WCG hosts! I'm quite sure if a project is proposed to WCG for hosting, that meets the objectives of this grid, humanitarian and all that, WCG will bend over to get it on... (with all the warnings of user impairment as it currently processes under CUDA)

Edit: That's my reading.
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I'm not questioning anyone's dedication, only the reasoning for not making it more of a priority. As I understand the argument, the main reason is that there are no projects that have approached WCG with a desire to use GPU based software. But if I am a scientist with a project that could be run on GPU's and that is my preference, I wouldn't even approach WCG since I would know from doing some cursory research that it is not supported.

If I had absolutely no other options, I might at that point see if I could get GPU software supported, but if the turn around would be unacceptably long, I would have to think of something else. While scientific progress may be slow, people aren't going to wait for many months if not years to get time on WCG. We're good, but we're not THAT good.
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Re: It is time to move to CUDA/BOINC !!!!

The HCC project IS the CUDA target, but in WCG house style, they wont tell how or when.

As for scientists researching, they do that usually well and not just cursory, the project proposal form the vehicle to find out for them to discover the real 'undisclosed' facts. The huge carrot is there: Free and professional hosting to include extensive coding and after completion support, to which running and completed projects can stand witness... the only price tag: The results have to be public. :D
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I'll be happy to see that. The 2.4GHz Phenom I'm on now does about 2.6GFlops. A new HD5870 does 2.6TFlops - 3 orders of magnitude faster. Granted it isn't as versatile as a CPU, but d*mn, 1000 times more flops . . . that deserves some respect.
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it has occurred to me that any scientist who are capable of writing CUDA or other GPU based apps may not contact WCG simply because they know it isn't supported.

How would they know without contacting WCG? By reading the WCG forums maybe? But then they will learn here that WCG will do it but that until there is a real candidate this is not top priority. Considering the number of months necessary to get a project ready to launch I think WCG would be ready in time.

The way you wrote "any scientist who are capable of writing CUDA or other GPU based apps" you seem to imply that there are many just ready to pop up and say "may I use your grid for GPU processing?". From what I have read so far this is not the case at all.

And for scientists already working with WCG it seems obvious that WCG has already asked them if they are interested. That's why we know that HCC scientists are considering this option.

Cheers. Jean.
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Re: It is time to move to CUDA/BOINC !!!!

Lot of good posts in this thread.
To the CA's;
I think the passion you see here is like when a lot of people wanted to see 64 bit computing being able to be incorporated into the WCG app.
Whether 64 bit or GPU computing what your seeing is desire to cut the time frames on doing the work.
I know it may sound confrontational at times but it's really not. Just passion my friends.
Now as much as I'd like to see both 64 bit and GPU computing added to WCG I can honestly say I tried GPU computing with GPU grid on 2 machines here.
What I got made no sense to me.
I put a cheap EVGA 9600GSO 384MB card in a 940 AMD system and it worked fine.
I put a EVGA 260GTX card in the Gainestown rig and it errored more than you could imagine until I finally gave up on it and that machine has nothing but top end parts in it.
Very strange so based on what I saw and also have read at the GPU grid forum I'd have to agree that it's not quite ready for "prime time"
I'm also concerned that when/if GPU computing gets perfected that we'll see lots of issues here.
Video cards maxxed out make LOT's of heat and not as many are familiar with this as are with dealing with overclocked cpu's.
You can't just say :' Stick a ThermalRight Ultra Xtreme HS on it and call me in the morning.".. biggrin
Little more involved with the GPU's and then add in extra case cooling to whisk away that heat and what I'm seeing is many issues with Mr./Mrs. Jones with their new Dell XPS but not much knowledge of what's in there having their vid cards burn up.
VERY hard to kill a cpu but you can smoke a video card easily.
Something to think on anyway.
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How would they know without contacting WCG? By reading the WCG forums maybe? But then they will learn here that WCG will do it but that until there is a real candidate this is not top priority. Considering the number of months necessary to get a project ready to launch I think WCG would be ready in time.

The way you wrote "any scientist who are capable of writing CUDA or other GPU based apps" you seem to imply that there are many just ready to pop up and say "may I use your grid for GPU processing?". From what I have read so far this is not the case at all.

And for scientists already working with WCG it seems obvious that WCG has already asked them if they are interested. That's why we know that HCC scientists are considering this option.

Cheers. Jean.

The lack of support is made conspicuous by the absence of any GPU projects. But since HCC will be our announcement to the world that WCG is ready to move forward, it's a moot question.

edit: If you think about it, the first sentence doesn't actually make any sense. Sue me. I just got up. Hehehe. biggrin edit2: Wait. Yes it did. Where's the delete key?

@MM: Thanks dude. Very good point about toasty - and toasted - video cards. It will be interesting to see what happens with the HCC beta's.
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Anything to speed up the work is great. Increasing it by orders of magnitude is even better. With that potentialy awaiting it is just a matter of time! Need a X prize for it.
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Re: It is time to move to CUDA/BOINC !!!!

All the RaRa about using GPU to crunch WU. What I want to know is how are the points per hour going to compare between the different projects on Boinc. I hope that one day WCG will have a GPU enabled project. What I expect is that the points per hour for the WCG GPU project are going to be similar (based on raw crunching power) to the other WCG projects and that GPU crunchers are going to abandon the WCG project because GPUGrid (for example) MAY give more points per hour than WCG will.

All conjecture,so we will have to wait to see if the soothsayer is right or out to lunch.
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