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Former Member
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The Schiavo case got me thinking, I know a dangerous past time, especially for one of the four legged lot.
----------------------------------------Without a doubt the family is hurting. However, I believe it is wrong and obscene that the Federal government in the name of the extreme right would intercede in what is first a family then at most a state affair. I think our ultra conservative U.S. Congress should sit as a body and read the U.S. Constitution that they are so ready to ignore. All rights and powers are not the U.S. Federal Government’s, nor is it the U.S. Federal Government’s right to take away the rights of the Individual or State’s rights or jurisdictions. Like most I do not know the facts of the case and must rely on popular communications to glean the story. I do question the motives of some of the religious right. We have now progressed to the point that we can sustain life artificially under dire circumstances, this ability will only increase, I have no doubt that within less than 20 years we will be able to sustain the brain in some artificial environment almost indefinitely. Now, to my soapbox: If it is true that the human spirit or soul is mated to the body at conception as most of our right leaning people believe, then when does the spirit leave the body? If it is at the moment of near death then what is being preserved, a husk, a shell, a windup toy with just sufficient tension remaining in the spring to maintain autonomic functions. If we say the spirit does not leave until the final moment of actual physical death then by this act of “kindness” the spirit is condemned to remain in the body of this innocent woman to continue dwelling in the flesh when by all natural means her spirit would have left the body. To be sure her body would have perished if it were not for this act of “kindness”. Isn’t she by the very act of “kindness” condemned to a sort of manmade purgatory? A half-life neither here nor on the path to her spirit’s next natural destination. Does the spirit suffer in this half-life it would seem those that would prolong this half-life do not care? There are Terrors in sheep’s clothing among us. I shall not besmirch the good name of the wolf by calling them a wolf. Wolves are social, tend to their young collectively, have never in recorded history had a confirmed case of wolf attack on a human, contary to popular stories. These Terrors do not have any of the noble qualities of the wolf. The Terrors don’t care that this woman’s soul or anyones soul is in torment or suffers, indeed these Terrors would condemn us all to a like fate and be secretly gleeful. One of the hardest things to grasp is, that which is good can be perverted to evil. Good is self-instantiating, Evil is not, it needs good to pervert. The desire to save life is not evil but the desire to control the moment of death is. Love is not evil until it turns to the green-eyed monster and lust. The desire to eat a sweet is not evil until you must have the sweet at all cost. Hunger is good it tells us when we need to take sustenance but it is evil when it turns to gluttony. Many people of many religions are never taught these simple facts and are easily lead astray by the Terrors that appear as Godly people and speak in silken whispers. Terrors tell Many that for their own “good” the Others should be allowed to do “so and so” and the Many listen. The Terrors tell Many that if They are not of this religion or that religion They are less in the eyes of the creator than the Many are, even if all diligently observe the first rule- “Love God with all your heart and soul”, and the Many listen. A Terror can not condemn a soul it takes the willing participation of the person to condemn their own! You loose your soul through your own acts, you can not be condemned by proxy or acts of another. A Terror must beguile and misdirect YOU into believing and acting in an evil manner but make no mistake YOU are the one that must BELIEVE and ACT in a manner that makes a perversity of the good. YOU individually are accountable for YOUR actions. YOU individually are responsible to be "as wise as a serpent", the ancient symbol of knowledge and wisdom, to see through the lies, half-truths, and misapproprated whole truths to protect yourself from being beguiled by the Terrors. The entire body of all religions are set up to give humans a tool of mutual support beginning with the member individuals to the religions themselves, to instruct us an allow us to see the Terrors but the Terrors are ever suble in thier work, driving wedges between religions, groups and individuals; entire churchs, temples, and mosques have allowed the Terrors to gain the upper hand within thier own mist. Some would say that God would not allow this to happen but they at a discrete level are I believe wrong. God has given us the tools, the collective intellegence, the prophets, the free will and the responsibility to choose our own paths as humankind, as groups and more importantly as individuals. Religion is for man, not God. God is the first necessary and needs no other cause to exist! For any believer, if you believe this then you must also believe and understand that there are Terrors both of spirit and incarnate that seek to dull our minds, blend the concepts of good and evil so that we have difficulty seeing, hearing or feeling the truth, pervert and control us. What the many fail to see is that it is about control, the ultimate control of our souls. The Terrors controlling what is thought, what is done, what is said, how we live, how we die, when we die. We are now close to having the technology to give the Terrors the ultimate control; we are close to being able to keep our dying ones in a man-made, Terror orchestrated hell indefinitely, while the rest of humanity unaware and blinded by the lies of the Terrors do not see or hear or feel how they have condemned themselves. Paws [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 22, 2005 2:24:42 AM] |
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What the many fail to see is that it is about control, the ultimate control of our souls. The Terrors controlling what is thought, what is done, what is said, how we live, how we die, when we die. We are now close to having the technology to give the Terrors the ultimate control; we can be kept in a man-made hell, while the rest of humanity unaware and blinded by the Terrors do not see or hear or feel how they have condemned themselves.
Paws ---------------------------------------- Well said I think our Federal gov. is out of control.To many laywers in office they have a different thought process than most people. The adverage person like you or I cannot run for office.its to money oriented. thats not the way it was ment to be. ![]() |
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---------------------------------------- Well said I think our Federal gov. is out of control.To many laywers in office they have a different thought process than most people. The adverage person like you or I cannot run for office.its to money oriented. thats not the way it was ment to be. ![]() marysduby; I agree. The apparent conservative movement in the U.S. is a matter of age demographics and people unwilling to think on their own. It is easier to act and believe what someone else says is right or wrong or moral or immoral or ethical or non-ethical than to take responsibility for their own individual beliefs and actions. What is really sad is that almost everyone that gives up their responsibility for making their own decisions in these matters sincerely believes that it absolves them of consequences once they meet the absolute necessary. I will say with all sincerity as one who has had unplanned contacts with that absolute necessary, nothing, nothing is further from the truth than that belief. There is no doddering overly kind mushy intelligence but rather an intellect that is sharper than the finest of human imaginable razor, that will dissect and unmask their each and every thought, belief, and act for every self aware and unaware moment of their existence (yes, an accounting is even held for your beliefs you hold in your dreams). It is all shown to the person with why they have done their acts or hold their beliefs, perfectly and completely stripped of all subterfuges and lies we tell ourselves, there are no opportunities to excuse or argue you are what you are and each is ultimately responsible for their own beliefs and actions. As that last dissected thought, belief or act that brought you there to that encounter with the absolute necessity unfolds; is pure judgment held, and here is the kicker; each are thier own judge, and each will find that they can not lie or excuse or delay. The spirit must acknowledge and accept its own imperfections as measured against the perfect. If the spirit cannot accept its own imperfections and need for the absolute necessity then no mercy or quarter is applied. The person who acts or believes with thoughtful responsible sincerity that they held to the highest ground that they sincerely believed was available will have no cause to fear or tremble, even if they are shown how those acts or beliefs are not what the absolute necessity would desire, in these cases the spirit is shown more for its own understanding; in these things absolute mercy is applied. This is not to say there are not things that will not be forgiven, there are, even if the spirit accepts and acknowledges its own imperfections and need for the necessary. However, dwelling on what these are would be too much like telling someone not to think about pink polka dotted elephants, thankfully and mercifully it is much harder to commit an unforgivable than most would believe but committing them is possible. Paws [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 24, 2005 5:34:16 AM] |
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If we say the spirit does not leave until the final moment of actual physical death then by this act of “kindness” the spirit is condemned to remain in the body of this innocent woman to continue dwelling in the flesh when by all natural means her spirit would have left the body. To be sure her body would have perished if it were not for this act of “kindness”. Isn’t she by the very act of “kindness” condemned to a sort of manmade purgatory? A half-life neither here nor on the path to her spirit’s next natural destination. Does the spirit suffer in this half-life it would seem those that would prolong this half-life do not care? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont its the fact that they do not care they are caught up in lifes physical pleasures. I think the older we get the farther we stray from the spiritual aspects of life.I believe this life on Earth is a test for the next journey of our souls or spirit. There is an evil presence permeating our existence. And we as a whole are in dire need of an awakening. But i dont see that happening.People are to interested in the physical and not the spiritual.If we look into ourselves we can see the truth but we deny it.And i am guilty of the same.Hopefully we will make it thru this and go on to something better. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Paws,
I admire your diplomatic skills combined with, even for me, a total new point of view ( the spirit essay ) to bring up this hot American item. As you know I live in the Netherlands, where this is already regulated and accepted to make it publicly discusionable. Certain religious people disapprove this right to die in a human way, which is accepted, but if someone wants to use this right to end his/hers live in a human way it is publicly accepted as well. I wich you had Skype..... P.S. to enyone who feels offended ... please do NOT... English is not my natural language so a nutrual misunderstanding is imminent. ![]() |
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First things first:
marysduby I hope what I wrote did not alarm you or cause you or your most loved one any anguish of any kind that was not my desire or intent. I know that the absolute necessity cherishes all souls that seek, desiring to know and emulate the absolute necessity's nature. I was attempting to get people to think about the spiritual aspects of thier own selves. To push back even, disagree, to get a thoughtful discussion going. I have my experiences but experiences need the sandpaper of knowledge and understanding to bloom fully. If I caused you any worry or concern I sincerely apologize. fran6nl; What is Skype? |
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First things first: marysduby I hope what I wrote did not alarm you or cause you or your most loved one any anguish of any kind that was not my desire or intent. I know that the absolute necessity cherishes all souls that seek, desiring to know and emulate the absolute necessity's nature. I was attempting to get people to think about the spiritual aspects of thier own selves. To push back even, disagree, to get a thoughtful discussion going. I have my experiences but experiences need the sandpaper of knowledge and understanding to bloom fully. If I caused you any worry or concern I sincerely apologize. fran6nl; What is Skype? No worries cant answer today . Have take wife to Richmond |
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What is Skype? [off topic ]My fine furry friend -- check out the thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1971 where we were discussing Skype (a Voice over IP package some of us have been using to communicate). I have been using it a lot and it works great![/off topic ] Your team mate, |
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What is Skype? [off topic ]My fine furry friend -- check out the thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1971 where we were discussing Skype (a Voice over IP package some of us have been using to communicate). I have been using it a lot and it works great![/off topic ] Your team mate,Dave; Thanks I'll check it out. Paws |
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