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Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

Hi guys,
I'm running a BOINC agent on a Windows XP machine. I've found that when I close my BOINC agent then reopen it, I lose some of the work that had been completed. For instance, one project was at 95% with about 30 minutes left when I closed it, and now when I opened BOINC today it is at 92 percent with over an hour still to go. This is frustrating because sometimes I'll only have a n hour to run BOINC before I need to close it, then when I open it again it seems that all of the work that I just did was destroyed. Is work actually lost, or is just that the estimation of how much work remains get skewed when I open and close BOINC? What could possibly be the cause of this appearance of lost work?
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

This is normal.

The science applications are only able to save the progress at certain points (checkpoints).

There is more about checkpointing here: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=11332
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

That's sort of frustrating. Are there any plans to make it possible for a manual checkpoint to be made when the program closes? Otherwise I suppose I might want to switch to crunching solely DDDT work units; since that saves every 1% and they're small I'll lose barely any work.
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

Read the FAQ: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=11332

It explains why this is the best frequency that can be achieved, and suggests a few workarounds if you find it is a limiting factor.

edit: be aware that DDDT work unit sizes are set to increase significantly very soon. Sorry.
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

be aware that DDDT work unit sizes are set to increase significantly very soon. Sorry.

True, but from a checkpointing interval viewpoint there will be no change (I carefully checked on beta work units). If your machine running a DDD-T job was checkpointing, say, every 90 seconds in average it will still be checkpointing every 90 seconds with the new WUs. The only visible difference is that the percentage will not be as easy an indication of when a checkpoint is taken. And since the new work units will be five times bigger there will be 500 possible checkpoints per WU instead of 100.

Net result: DDD-T will still be the project which loses the smallest amount of work when stopping/restarting a computer.
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

After observing 1 Beta of 4 hours for DDDT and what was said by the techs (reads like more jobs in one work unit), I second that nmotion. Checkpoints unaltered in time span for same machine.... hmmm wonder how to phrase it now .... 0.25% :+)
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

When having to reboot to install Windows updates, for instance, is it better to suspend BOINC, to snooze or to exit BOINC?

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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

Exiting BOINC or through the BOINCmgr interface closing down the currently linked client (e.g. a remote client but also local BOINC service), is doubtlessly the most secure. But, if running version >= 5.10.35 on particularly the 'too quick closing' Vista works very reliable if using the OS shutdown procedure. Not a single corruption here since.

Read the Start Here FAQ earlier referenced and other FAQs there for elaboration when best to do that v.v. prevention of work loss.
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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

Cookiemobsta,

I too am running XP. When I need to re-boot, I simply suspend boinc. When the system re-boots, and boinc restarts, I click on resume. No loss of data yet. Same should work when you need to stop processing temporarily ie suspend, stop; on restart, resume.

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Re: Closing agent seems to cause loss of work

BOINC should not be sensitive to the way it is shut down.

If you observe BOINC failing to restart from a checkpoint, please report it so that the underlying cause can be identified. At present, the only widespread cause of this is the (fixed) Vista issue.
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