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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

If you are using a customized version of app_info, I'm not sure what the consequences are of releasing a new application to the mix. Customized app_info is not officially supported. From my initial inspection it looks like version 7.05 is looking good for release, which might help people who are makng changes to their app_info file. Again, I need to do a more detailed analysis of the results.

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-Uplinger

Uplinger, can you give us a 24 hr notice before you change the version that goes into production so we can make changes to our app file?
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

depending on the day, better 48hours or 72 hours ^^ When releasing at frighday after 15 oclock i have no chance to change it until Monday 7 oclock ^^
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

Simplex0,

I am sorry that releasing a new application and version in beta caused your app_info file to cause your machine to run dry. This was not the intent of releasing a test for enhancing the application. As said before our stance on customizing app_info is not officially supported at this time. My personal experience with modifying the file is basically non-existant. Users modifying the app_info file is something new to the World Community Grid environment so it will be a learning curve for us on our end.

Also, generally on releasing an application we do not post about it before it happens. This is because there are things on the backside or other priorities that could change the release schedule and version. We mostly announce after something has been released as we know it is completed. We are going to work on releasing 7.05 to production today. But again, if something pops up and that number changes, we'll let everyone know in the application release forum post.

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Please let me know if any of the app_info related results that are returned become problematic on your end. I'm doing it only to speed up research as all must be. Our cards would give better Boinc points elsewhere. I love the boost but want the science more blushing

I'm enveloping it with a 7870 running 12 HCC1's. If anyone there even 'thinks' this could end up being a results issue..... I'll take the rig to anything the project feels comfy with.
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

If you are using a customized version of app_info, I'm not sure what the consequences are of releasing a new application to the mix. Customized app_info is not officially supported. From my initial inspection it looks like version 7.05 is looking good for release, which might help people who are makng changes to their app_info file. Again, I need to do a more detailed analysis of the results.

Thanks,
-Uplinger

Uplinger, can you give us a 24 hr notice before you change the version that goes into production so we can make changes to our app file?


Unfortunately all I can say is I will try. For beta we do not announce that information. I can't give you an exact time on releases as there usually isn't one. It's based on how the priorities of the day/week happen. Also, my fear on pre announcing is that something will come down and the version would change from 7.05 to 7.06. Then you the user might see 7.05 and think all is good and have an issue because I released it as 7.06. There are too many variables to say "yes I will do that" but asking in the beta forums is a good way to get me to give you a generalized unofficial pre-announce for what application version will go to production.

I have mentioned in another thread, we are learning about app_info files and the side affects as the members let us know. Releasing a beta and causing a machine to go dry was not our intent as we did not know that would occur. So learning from that and move forward.

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-Uplinger
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Please let me know if any of the app_info related results that are returned become problematic on your end. I'm doing it only to speed up research as all must be. Our cards would give better Boinc points elsewhere. I love the boost but want the science more blushing
We appreciate the help here. I have not seen any adverse affects of the app_info modifying. You would notice any issues in your results status table. If you're creating errors, then it's something to look into. But since a majority of our users don't modify that file and we use a comparison between two results for this project, your result would become invalid if it was bad.

Note: I have not looked into your specific results and my statement is a generalized one.

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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

Please let me know if any of the app_info related results that are returned become problematic on your end. I'm doing it only to speed up research as all must be. Our cards would give better Boinc points elsewhere. I love the boost but want the science more blushing
We appreciate the help here. I have not seen any adverse affects of the app_info modifying. You would notice any issues in your results status table. If you're creating errors, then it's something to look into. But since a majority of our users don't modify that file and we use a comparison between two results for this project, your result would become invalid if it was bad.

Note: I have not looked into your specific results and my statement is a generalized one.

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TY for the reply,
My only concern was that somehow the app_info stuff was evading the projects ability to achieve an expected statistical delta for results since HCC1. Validation must be infra-structure demanding given the volume of results since inception of HCC1.
My results as reported through WCG have only a few icidents involved with getting app_info set up. Good and solid since... But that's just the 'front door' ;)
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

If you are using a customized version of app_info, I'm not sure what the consequences are of releasing a new application to the mix. Customized app_info is not officially supported. From my initial inspection it looks like version 7.05 is looking good for release, which might help people who are makng changes to their app_info file. Again, I need to do a more detailed analysis of the results.

Thanks,
-Uplinger

Uplinger, can you give us a 24 hr notice before you change the version that goes into production so we can make changes to our app file?


Unfortunately all I can say is I will try. For beta we do not announce that information. I can't give you an exact time on releases as there usually isn't one. It's based on how the priorities of the day/week happen. Also, my fear on pre announcing is that something will come down and the version would change from 7.05 to 7.06. Then you the user might see 7.05 and think all is good and have an issue because I released it as 7.06. There are too many variables to say "yes I will do that" but asking in the beta forums is a good way to get me to give you a generalized unofficial pre-announce for what application version will go to production.

I have mentioned in another thread, we are learning about app_info files and the side affects as the members let us know. Releasing a beta and causing a machine to go dry was not our intent as we did not know that would occur. So learning from that and move forward.

Thanks,
-Uplinger

Thanks Uplinger. Was weird that the original version crapped up when you released the betas. The app file specifically indicates what version to go after. When you released the beta, did you halt the older version to push out the betas? I did untick beta in hope when your next beta release won't interfere with current version.
Keep up the great work. We will adjust as needed to keep on crunching. wink
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

just woundering if the double up of hcc1 wu's will count as 2 or stay at 1 for stat purposes. i assume it will stay at 1 due to extra programing involved by our hard working techs...(results returned)


Work units that have two images will show up as 1 result. This will decrease the results completed per day by half once all the single image work units are complete. This will help decrease the load on the database as well as the file system.

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They do not at this point show up as more points in my BOINC when I look at requested/allowed. That being said... There is no increase on hardware when they show (increasingly more often now) and that means I can let my HW run without constantly messing with settings. The reduced load on the project infrastructure works for me and if any more is needed, I say go for it wink .
I have been through the whole "but my points" thing in many projects since '07. If mine dropping a bit means more science capabilities and less expense on project infra-structure, then drop mine.
I find medical (cancer mainly) projects to donate because it's my personal choice. BIG points are pretty cool tho, that I'll admit. In the end, find what you believe in and the points won't matter so much.

Ie... I could crush Boinc points if I went to Prime grid. but it's not for me. God bless those there that feel it's for them.

Do what you can for what feels right for you. Judge yourself by only yourself where contribution #s go. There's a ton of people to help you do the best you can with what you have. And just as many to help you make decisions when thinking on upgrades.

KK.. nuff of this nonsense. I just LOVE this place love struck
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Re: Help Conquer Cancer Crunching Chart

shdbcamping,

I may have misunderstood the original question. My response was will the result count on the website be 1 for processing 2 images. I was only in reference to the result count not points.

The points per work unit should scale with the number of images in a work unit. That means if you got about 10 points for 1 image in the work unit, you'll get about 20 points per work unit with 2 images in it. I say about because there could be some variance but should scale pretty close to linier.

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Cool and thanks for taking time to be this involved in a public forum.
I don't particuliarly care about the points either way :) Cancer is a project that I care about and follow boinc projects that do related research. I'll be here for the duration of HCC1, both to speed up the science as well as my Team rank, and mine if it works out that way. lol.
I should have put something into my previous post to delineate my response to you and the rest of devoted rambling :)
Sorry... HCC project is doing great things. 1st to embrace the GPU power in this type research.
For The Cure !!!
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