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Re: re:Climate-Sorry for all your Ignorance,politics & Hype

David, did you miss my post where I explained that the total death toll from fallout was calculated (in 2005, when they had some statistics) to be 4000. Not 70000 as Courine wrongly claimed. An order of magnitude less, and far, far less than coal mining deaths in the same period (which I would estimate very roughly at 150000).

When you put the Chernobyl death rate against deaths from smoking, or deaths from car accidents - the number is negligible. I don't want to diminish the disaster, but I do want to remove the myth that it was a disaster of epic proportions that killed millions of people. It simply didn't.

I see Courine is raising the old "nuclear storage" chestnut. Why yes, Courine - I would be happy to put nuclear materials back in the ground where they came from. Preferably after reprocessing in a CANDU reactor to extract as much energy from it as possible. There are plenty of geologically stable strata where nuclear waste will remain undisturbed for millions of years.
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D your 4000 is erring on the low side

Do you you know the worst thing about it?

We will never know how many people have been affected

and please don't try to say it could never happen again

Nuclear Power is not safe not clean and not carbon neutral and only through the jumped up claims of Climate Change has been returned to the Radar

So far it's not working out fine http://www.bellona.org/filearchive/fil_sellaengweb.pdf
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Hi courine I've been told that rain drops start life as a snowflake forming around the tiniest speck of dust in the air. They are held aloft by the breeze in the cloud until they become so big that gravity wins out. At this point falling and melting on the way down to land with a splosh in that puddle
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We could compare the dangers of low level radioactivity with the dangers of pollutants from fossil fuel burning. But why bother? We both know they are both bad.

The difference is that radioactivity can be minimised by safe handling and responsible oversight. Air pollution can be minimised by not burning fossil fuels.

Sellafield is old. Very, very old. Shocking though the report is, it is from data gathered there that we know what is safe and what is not.

Yes, I think ancient facilities like that should be shut down and buried. But that is no argument against building new plants with the lessons that have been learnt.
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Just try reading through that to the end and then come back and tell me Nuclear Power is required again because of the effects of Global Warming.

I hope that I will have to wait a very long time for that post.

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Table 6.2 indicates that various authors use different radiation risk estimates to predict the
numbers of excess fatal cancers. The current ICRP recommendation (ICRP, 1991) is to apply
an average risk factor (over all populations, ages and sexes) of 5% per Sv for fatal cancers.
This risk figure comes from studies of the Japanese atomic bomb survivors. However, the risk
factor from Japan is halved because the ICRP takes the view that radiation at low doses
and low dose rates (like that from Chernobyl fallout) is less dangerous than high dose, high
dose rate radiation (like that from the atomic bomb blast).


I never said nuclear power is required. I just said that it is better than some of the alternatives.
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Dear D,

You keep missing the point. The first time was ignorance.

"Proliferation of nuclear materials equals proliferation of nuclear weapons."

Now tell me, why the political agenda? One that is designed to lead the simple minded into thinking that nuclear power is safe. To try to move a group of "greenies" into thinking that it is an option, because of the panic revolving around the greenhouse gas problem.

The problem is not as you say or see, its the complex web of problems that you want to make simple. What is less simple is how I know this. Something I can’t tell you. Think about it. Because you obviously haven't.

The 70,000 over 25 year was a statistical evaluation of the total expected casualties. The number you are stating as fact, is only the directly related deaths. The scope of the matter is so far beyond that point. Something that is also quite telling.

The question in my mind really is this just your national political agenda or is this WCG's political agenda as well.

Now D, how do you "unsmelt" nuclear materials?
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17 minutes to decide that the increased potential for thousands of additional cancer sufferers is better than any alternative


For me any alternative is better than that

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/304383.stm

I think you are both merely being contrary. If I said the sky is blue, you would argue against it - not for any good reason, just because you like arguing.

So, I'm going to leave you to argue amongst yourselves. Enjoy.
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