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Re: 5.8.15 and Win2000 Pro hangs

It happened to me on a PC w/WinXP; AMD 64x2


I also had some strange behavior with 5.8.15 & 5.8.16 on a similar computer. The cure that worked on my system was upgrading to 5.10.13, which has been running flawlessly for about a month since the install...


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Re: 5.8.15 and Win2000 Pro hangs

Complete freeze ups are nearly always caused by hardware. Software simply can't do that much damage in any secure pre-emptively multitasking operating system. The cynical ones among you will point out that Windows isn't all that secure, but the point remains: hardware is the first probability.

So, why do these problems only manifest when using BOINC? A number of reasons. The processor is running hotter than normal. A poorly cooled computer can easily run into problems. The power drain is also higher. An inadequate power supply can cause the operating system to hang. The unusually intensive memory IO can also highlight existing problems with memory, especially mismatched memory - even if a standard memory test fails to identify a problem. Finally, the BOINC throttle may cause problems, by cycling the processor rapidly and causing the fans to pulse.

All of this means that BOINC has proved useful as a burn-in tool. A couple of my team mates have used it to identify problems with servers before putting them into production.

Steps you can take to prevent this, or deal with it if your computer hangs: if you overclock, stop. Overclocked computers often have stability problems that are exacerbated by running BOINC. Lower the BOINC throttle until the computer is stable. Monitor the CPU temperature, and compare it with the acceptable operating limit (this varies between 60 to 100 degrees).


Hi,

I agree and disagree. My pc had been running a distributed.net client since I built it. That client always had the CPU pegged, whereas BOINC seems to yoyo up and down. My computer is cooler with BOINC - heat is not an issue.

Power supply is more than adequate for what the pc has in it.

Given my previous CPU pressing, and recent installation of 5.8.15, there may be some other issue beyond hardware as I've demonstrated twice and one other person just like me.

I'm not even sure I had a complete freeze up. The keyboard and mouse went away. Perhaps the kernel was chugging along well. That's sort of fine, except that it's impossible to recover without hitting the switch and checking the integrity of the filesystem.

Cheers,

Andrew
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Re: 5.8.15 and Win2000 Pro hangs

The yoyoing you see is the BOINC throttle in action. Push it up to 100%, and it may solve the problem.
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Re: 5.8.15 and Win2000 Pro hangs

The throttling worked. Thanks. Any tips on how to debug the hung operating system?

Although the situation that has occurred twice is over a week old without any issues, I'm cautious thinking that my OS hang is an intermittent problem.


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Re: 5.8.15 and Win2000 Pro hangs

Complete freeze ups are nearly always caused by hardware. Software simply can't do that much damage in any secure pre-emptively multitasking operating system. The cynical ones among you will point out that Windows isn't all that secure, but the point remains: hardware is the first probability.

So, why do these problems only manifest when using BOINC? A number of reasons. The processor is running hotter than normal. A poorly cooled computer can easily run into problems. The power drain is also higher. An inadequate power supply can cause the operating system to hang. The unusually intensive memory IO can also highlight existing problems with memory, especially mismatched memory - even if a standard memory test fails to identify a problem. Finally, the BOINC throttle may cause problems, by cycling the processor rapidly and causing the fans to pulse.

All of this means that BOINC has proved useful as a burn-in tool. A couple of my team mates have used it to identify problems with servers before putting them into production.

Steps you can take to prevent this, or deal with it if your computer hangs: if you overclock, stop. Overclocked computers often have stability problems that are exacerbated by running BOINC. Lower the BOINC throttle until the computer is stable. Monitor the CPU temperature, and compare it with the acceptable operating limit (this varies between 60 to 100 degrees).


Hi,

I agree and disagree. My pc had been running a distributed.net client since I built it. That client always had the CPU pegged, whereas BOINC seems to yoyo up and down. My computer is cooler with BOINC - heat is not an issue.

Power supply is more than adequate for what the pc has in it.

Given my previous CPU pressing, and recent installation of 5.8.15, there may be some other issue beyond hardware as I've demonstrated twice and one other person just like me.

I'm not even sure I had a complete freeze up. The keyboard and mouse went away. Perhaps the kernel was chugging along well. That's sort of fine, except that it's impossible to recover without hitting the switch and checking the integrity of the filesystem.

Cheers,

Andrew


PSU might be adequate...but it might not have the built in safety! so the AC might corrupt the DC flow...
some of the indications of that are the BAD CAPACITORS...so open the computer and see if they are bad (the cap of the capacitor gets inflated & round, where it shlould be flat!)...

check that first!

then there are other things, like voltages on MBO...I use the speedfan for controlling the temp. on my computer & voltages too...
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