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Re: Can the Octo Core be far behind?

[off topic] Miniature vacuum tubes and gallium semiconductors can survive the electromagnetic pusle (EMP) of a high altitude nuclear explosion. Our cars, computers, TVs, and other solid state devices will be wiped slick. [/off topic]
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Re: Can the Octo Core be far behind?

fall out shelters r not reliable

selling them should be banned
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Re: Can the Octo Core be far behind?

Quad core fallout shelters, then.

[1. pantry and provisions][2. kitchen][3. living area][4. sleeping area]

Miniature vacuum tubes and gallium semiconductors can survive the electromagnetic pusle (EMP) of a high altitude nuclear explosion. Our cars, computers, TVs, and other solid state devices will be wiped slick.
Books and pencil and paper can also survive, but they can still be caught in the nuclear firestorm.

The most important gallium semiconductors are gallium arsenide (GaAs) and gallium phosphide (GaP).


Gallium metal is another one of those strange substances that becomes liquid at room temperature. .... melts in your hand, before you're stupid enough to put it in your mouth

Some early Russian aircraft used vacuum tubes or valves, so wouldn't be subject to EMP as much. The WIRING in the aircraft could still be an antenna to suck it up.

There's no need to wait for the EMP. An entire squadron of F-22s was shot down by the International Date Line

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f22-squad...national-date-line-03087/

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/25/2038217

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/24/tww.01.html

google for "F-22 date line" for many more.
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AMD true Quad Core is on the way

Here is an interesting letter to the Inquirer: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=42339
Subject: Barca late

Sorry I've never interacted with the Inquirer before so I don't know if the "Author Flame" was the best route to do this but the link was at the bottom of the article and I'm lazy (hence this run on sentence) but I have some insight on why the AMD Barces are late. Now mind you if anyone asks I'm not an official source and this information is wild, very lucky, spot on, conjecture made by one of your anomalous readers. I wasn't going to ever say anything about it and now that it's water under the bridge I don't feel to bad about it but I really thought the info would come out of another source and it is just making my skin crawl every time I read wild assumptions or just the plain lack of truth about the subject. Right, I'll get to the point now. AMD's newest fab was supposed to be a ground up build for 65nm wafer production. However due to skyrocketing demand for Athlons at the time, things changed. Several factors were taken into consideration, by AMD, such as the grossly underestimated time line and threat of Intel's (now dubbed) core architecture and the fact that they could shave several months off the production start up time at Fab 36 if they were to start at 90nm instead of 65nm. This decision was a heated and very openly contested debated among AMD execs which I'm sure everyone will agree should have been contested until it was rescinded. While the conversion of the facility to a 65nm process was fairly quick in coming it was still detrimental to the Barcelona's birth date. Full scale spinup work for the new chip could not begin until 65nm production was fully up and running. Even after the implementation of the new 65nm process was complete AMD management struck again. To increase output to satisfy demand of then current Athlon cores, mainstream partial die shrinks were fast tracked for the A64 and given priority over the Barcelona startups. While a lot of work was done during this time frame on Barce, the partial die shrink from 90nm to 65nm of the A64s was given more resources. All told the sad end product was at least a 4 month delay in the Barcelona launch. Bad decisions were only to blame in this instance not production/architecture problems. Well that and all the AMD fans complaining that Dell didn't sell AMD CPUs. In fact if people didn't love AMD so much back then and didn't buy so many CPUs they would of had a competitive product for almost half a year now. ;)

Cheers,

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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

If the speculation in the article/letter is true, you can't really blame AMD for wanting to milk the Athlon cow. They're in a tight cash flow situation right now even with the "additional" K8 revenues.

AMD has to hit the mark with this new line of chips. If they don't, we might be back to a single vendor for high end x86 cpu's. Remember what that was like? "You'll get it our way or you won't get it at all."

Has anybody seen any independent tests of Barcelona's performance - other than what AMD published at the launch?
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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

Morning twilyth

http://www.anandtech.com/ had a rushed set of benchmarks but their website could use a quad core this morning, it's on a serious go slow. Maybe someone will give it a kick later and normal service will be resumed.

I'll get back to you with a more accurate link
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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

You could just settle for 3 cores

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33895/118/

All those almost 4 cores that were previously destined for the skip wink
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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

So far it isn't looking good for the AMD quads from what I've seen on them. BIG issues with bios that will allow them to run on any existing boards and the few that have got them running are seeing more problems than Carter had peanuts.
I think there will be a 60-90 day timeframe before this is sorted and unless AMD has some drastic revision in mind they can't match the C2D's let alone the Penryns.
That would be a shame. WE need 2 strong companies or we lose.
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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

Here's one

The anandtech one seems to have <disappeared>

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13176
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Re: AMD true Quad Core is on the way

So if one arrives here ready installed in a compact box not using more than a system total of 200watts per hour, noiseless so it can sit in the working corner without hissing out the whispers on the radio, I'll buy one to replace the old desktop.
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