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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

As for the topic of the thread, UD will only be around for FAAH and HPF2 for as long as they last. Future projects will only be set up on BOINC.

Ah! Plans are more and more clear!
Cheers. Jean.
A change was made to set the default download to BOINC, but you noticed that ALL pieces were not changed in the directions. devilish Since BOINC is running well, I think they are going to stay with BOINC rather than pay UD for an unproven upgrade.
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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

The sums: 1 new fang middle of the road 500 Euro PC (HP Mini with Q4350 CPU) with 200 w/h electricity does 5000+ points (units of performance measure). The annual electricity bill for pure crunching 24/7 is about 350 Euro here. How much power are those 22 P3x450mhz consuming annually?

Rip the HD out or format according DoD standards and call the recyclers as there is really gold in it aside the hazardous waste for:

Less Power,
Less CO2 (from the power plants),
Less Heat,
Less Noise,
Less Space,
Less Management,

translating to

More Contribution in compensation to the sentimental loss of the expensive to run stack smile
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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

The sums: 1 new fang middle of the road 500 Euro PC (HP Mini with Q4350 CPU) with 200 w/h electricity does 5000+ points (units of performance measure). The annual electricity bill for pure crunching 24/7 is about 350 Euro here. How much power are those 22 P3x450mhz consuming annually?

Rip the HD out or format according DoD standards and call the recyclers as there is really gold in it aside the hazardous waste for:

Less Power,
Less CO2 (from the power plants),
Less Heat,
Less Noise,
Less Space,
Less Management,

translating to

More Contribution in compensation to the sentimental loss of the expensive to run stack smile


VERY good point!
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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

I can run my stack of 17 P3's for 7 hours per day on off-peak electricity for the same cost as one modern PC running 24 hours. So unless it's more than 17 times as powerful I'll stick with the stack as they are available and don't involve any capital expenditure. Admittedly, there is the power station CO2 to consider but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Furthermore, I've just applied for planning consent to erect a 6KW wind turbine so my conscience should soon be clear anyway!

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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

BTW, as I suspected Discovering Dengue Drugs Together also can run on a P4 w/128MB of RAM and 1GB of virtual memory smile
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Glossed over the System Requirements page and noted that the minimum CPU speeds for all BOINC projects were dropped. The DDDT's requirements are, for this phase:
For Discovering Dengue Drugs - Together, the minimum requirements are on windows:

* At least 250 MB RAM (with virtual memory enabled)
* 600 MB Hard Disk Drive with at least 50 MB available for use
* The ability to display 8-bit graphics at 800x600 resolution
* An Internet connection with minimum 40 kbps speed
* Operating System: Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP

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From reading the threads in many posts like this one, it becomes apparent that many people are leaving computers running with the sole purpose of crunching for world community grid. This is at great cost to the environment, and computers (like all electrical items) should only be left running when in use.

It is pointless running applications which predict the climate change in africa, if the process of doing so will contribute to it, i.e. the increase of fossil fuels required to generate electricity to power computers. It is madness to run 20 or so low end machines to crunch on these projects, when the work could easily be done by a single high end machine at a fraction of the cost to the user and the environment.

All of my machines, and my friends, run world community grid applications when in use, and some do run 24/7, but only because they are required for other applications.

It is often said that people do not crunch for points, but lets be honest, we all do check them to see how we are doing. I have accumulated 1,347,226 points in total, just by running world community grid in the background whilst using my machine. People should consider if they are here to work on cures for diseases which affect humanity, or whether they are here to accumulate as many points as possible at whatever cost.

I urge all people to consider the implications of running WCG 24/7 on the environment.
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Don't you tell me what to do!!!
I shall do how I please! tongue

Global warming is a myth thought up be green idiots, it is a natural phenomina and occurs at regular intervals....man has nothing to do with it!
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Re: UD Agent vs Boinc

crook_uk,

You posted off topic, your item fitting in many other threads on the energy concerns topic.

1. The science has to be done and it's better to do it on existing machines rather than building new computer centres, which in itself costs considerable fabrication and assembly energy even before starting.
2. WCG only wants idle time when anyone's computer is on for other reasons but crunching. A so called Power Saving profile is being added soon to the WCG pre-defined selection as Device Manager profile selection.
3. Running 24/7 is a way of doing a charitable contribution. In the end the crunching has to be done, so little real addition of energy consumption takes place.

Your third paragraph sums it up, how large groups go about contributing to WCG, but am *not* critiquing anyone who contributed to speed things up by running longer or 24/7. Points are for fun and games and a translation of time contributed and computing power utilised, same as counting the number of completed results, which to many is much more satisfactory as is the accumulation of the amount of run time. Got almost 4 years tallied up and in the top 3170 league.... hurray

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Scribe,

It is not my intention to tell people what to do. My opinion is that it is madness to run 20+ machines for the sole purpose of WCG at the cost to the environment. It may take a short while longer to run the project, but at less cost to the environment.

The debate is still open on whether or not mankind is influencing the global climate, I have not drawn an opinion either way, but I know that we should minimise the consumption of fossil fuels as we do not have an endless supply of them.
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