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Former Member
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Hey!
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Former Member
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....Personally I've had it with the attitude of the people here. If my efforts aren't going to be appreciated, I'd rather get paid..... In that case why not just leave and go elsewhere.....instead of just moaning about it.... Why don't you? dufus You are the one moaning about this place not me! |
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Former Member
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Hello otij, if the people behind projects will release as free for all countries arround earth The knowledge is free. We put our results in the public domain (which means free for all). But anybody who designs and tests a drug will need lots of money just to pay for the drug trials.Lawrence okay thank you |
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Former Member
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Well I guess I have been misunderstood. I am not asking for being paid for chrunching for WCG.
I wonder why pharmacomponies do not rush in. The information is public and free access, allright but this will not prevent them to make money. So why not support us with the computing power they can provide? All I can see with a hepty support is IBM, which we all appriacate a lot, but more is better. Sooner the cruching finishes on a project, sooner the paper rolls to peer review and published. After that someone work on lab so it can shift from theory to appiled science ( rollihg out drugs & vaccines). This process takes a hell of time and each step can not start before the prior one finishes. Most time consuming part is the cruching where we came in to make a change, but recruting new members hence computing power can leapfrog once the Pharma's get to join ( and anonce it of course ) |
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BertrandRussel
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Why not contact the pharma companies directly rather than theorize. I don't think that they refuse any contact with WCG members or deny any social commitment.
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twilyth
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Well I guess I have been misunderstood. I am not asking for being paid for chrunching for WCG. I wonder why pharmacomponies do not rush in. The information is public and free access, allright but this will not prevent them to make money. So why not support us with the computing power they can provide? All I can see with a hepty support is IBM, which we all appriacate a lot, but more is better. Sooner the cruching finishes on a project, sooner the paper rolls to peer review and published. After that someone work on lab so it can shift from theory to appiled science ( rollihg out drugs & vaccines). This process takes a hell of time and each step can not start before the prior one finishes. Most time consuming part is the cruching where we came in to make a change, but recruting new members hence computing power can leapfrog once the Pharma's get to join ( and anonce it of course ) Forgive me if I've misunderstood your point, but if you're saying that drug companies should be providing grid computing resources, I believe the answer is that they already are. United Devices entered a contract with Bristol Myers a couple months ago to use the ud agent for their own in-house grid computing effort. If you are also saying that drug companies should share the wealth that they derive from public spirited efforts such as the work WCG is doing, I would agree with that too. The US pharma companies are some of the greediest and most heartless sob's on the planet. One drug I take, Zofran (an anti-emetic) would have cost me over $800 for 20 pills. I got the same prescription from Canada - where the government negotiates prices for drugs - for less than $150. The US gov't does not negotiate prices for Medicare recipients because the pharma lobbyists have prevented any attempt to do this. They cite the huge costs of drug development and clinical trials. But if they can sell the drug in Canada for less than 1/5 of what they charge in the US, how can anyone take that bull#### seriously. They use public domain research like what WCG researchers provide and use that to pump up their own bottom line at our expense. It's obscene and they should pay through the nose for the research that they currently get for free - just like they make us pay through the nose for the drugs they develop from research that is funded by both government grants and philanthropic endeavors such as WCG. That's one of the reasons I stand ready to promote such programs as that being started by Gridfinity.com. If I'm going to get raped on drug prices when these meds come to market, I at least want to receive some compensation up front for my contribution to the pharma companies bottom line. ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by twilyth at Jun 22, 2007 11:12:08 AM] |
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Former Member
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with all our results being in public domain, i'm not sure how much patent control anyone can really have with new products. i don't think patent laws protect ideas that are now 'obvious'. you cannot patent water to use it for washing dishes.
----------------------------------------and there is already a lot of international government pressure about drug prices. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 22, 2007 11:31:23 PM] |
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Former Member
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Exactly, halfcard.
Twilyth, we can't stop the drug companies developing drugs. We don't want to! But the more work we do and release into the public domain, the less they can patent. This makes it easier and cheaper to create generic drugs. |
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Marzolan
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The US pharma companies are some of the greediest and most heartless sob's on the planet. One drug I take, Zofran (an anti-emetic) would have cost me over $800 for 20 pills. I got the same prescription from Canada - where the government negotiates prices for drugs - for less than $150. The US gov't does not negotiate prices for Medicare recipients because the pharma lobbyists have prevented any attempt to do this. They cite the huge costs of drug development and clinical trials. But if they can sell the drug in Canada for less than 1/5 of what they charge in the US, how can anyone take that bull#### seriously. I find this argument or statement made far too often for my tastes. The US government does not negotiate prices, true, but in one way that's fair considering a very large portion of the expenses drug companies undertake are due to government regulations on testing. As for drugs being cheaper in Canada, yes they negotiate drug prices. beyond that however, Canada also has a far more agressive general helth program. That is to say the government funds many public health projects for the benefit of their general population. But here's the catch. As with other countries that offer strong public health resources, paid higher education, cheaper drugs, and other things Americans complain so much about paying "through the nose" for, the citizens pay higher taxes. Canada perhaps not as bad as some countries, but many consumer products that are not health relatated often cost much more than they do here. I have many friends in Canada who cross the border here for their electronics purchases for example. In some countries in Europe, the taxes can be as high a 17% or more. If such a proposal were made here in America, that is to raise tazes that high to pay for public program improvement, we'd cry and/or laugh our butts off and redicule whoever proposed. The bottom line is, there are no free gifts. You're going to pay for it one way or the other. You want cheaper good and better programs? Pay more taxes. Don't want more taxes? Tough, then pay for everything else yourself. Money doesn't appear out of nowhere, regardless of how our national debt seems to say otherwise. You pay one way or the other, visibly or not as visibly. |
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